Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by coolian2

will there be the same rush from the right to condemn this clear violation of women's rights?

I think we know the answer.

The right has never been concerned for women's rights. They fake it to bash Muslims, but don't be fooled... they secretly applaud this.

[BVS]

Anyone else find it funny that Clinton with her hand over her mouth might be sexually suggestive?

[MrsSpringsteen]

I'm sure all they'd have to do is publish the photo of her with Bill in their bathing suits (hypothetically, of course). Remember, as someone here pointed out long ago-the dreaded cellulite. Puts all the kibosh on the sexual suggestiveness, cause she has physical flaws. God knows her brain power doesn't matter, it's all about the cellulite. Even though that has zero effect on intelligence.

That newspaper thing is just very sad to me. At least she can't be Photoshopped out of her job, or out of her achievements. Still very sad.

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by coolian2

will there be the same rush from the right to condemn this clear violation of women's rights?

i personally don't agree with the call, and the 16th century-tastic view of women it propogates, but it's pretty harmless.

retarded, but harmless.

It's a violation of copyright. If someone altered my photo without consent I'd be pissed

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by BVS

but don't be fooled... they secretly applaud this.

Reaching a little far there, don't you think?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Reaching a little far there, don't you think?

Of course I am. Just like the question of "which middle eastern country do we want to shape ourselves after?"

But what do you do with such exteme ideas? I always hear about how the right wishes society was like it was back in the 50's, that part of the problem is women working and not staying home, feminism is often used as a bad word, and you even have some that go as to far to say that women shouldn't be president because the Bible says men were created first.

[MrsSpringsteen]

There are many people who really despise Hillary for whatever reasons who might applaud it. Also people like Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, who want to milk it for laughs or material-or are just relic chauvinists. I'd like to think that mainstream Republicans would have a serious problem with it.

[yolland]

They airbrushed Audrey Tomason out too, not just Hillary...

There's not really anything you can "do with" the Hasidim without infringing on personal liberties; they're like the Amish basically, anti-assimilation traditionalists who do indeed resist modernity in most ways though are harmless to others (well, unless you're paranoid and assume they mean to take over the world because Protocols of the Elders tells you so).

My family used to live in a primarily Hasidic neighborhood. Their newspapers are notorious (in the Jewish community anyhow) for these blanket policies against running photographs of women; same with any community event posters or advertisements they put up in their neighborhoods. It's not like a Christian "denomination"; each Hasidic subsect follows its own rebbe's rulings, so they don't see eye-to-eye on the minutiae of which outfits, situations etc. are "immodest" and which aren't. So for example some Hasids might think the original of that photo is fine, while others might find it indecent that married women who aren't wearing a wig or headscarf appear in it (generally, both Hasidic men and women always cover their 'real' hair in public, though the respective perceptions of why each sex should do it are clearly different, for example there's no problem running a photo of non-Jewish men without headcovering).

[Jive Turkey]

But omitting the photo all together and doctoring it are completely different

[yolland]

Sure, that's why they later formally apologized, because the White House had specifically said the photo was not to be altered.

If this Jewish blogger hadn't outed them, no one would've known. It's just a crappy little Yiddish daily(?) read in a few neighborhoods in Brooklyn by people who think the Post, the Daily News and the Times are treyf; it's not The Forward or something. Like I said, they're notorious for this kind of stuff.

[Jive Turkey]

But that's sort of what I'm getting at. They only apologized because they were called on it. Apart from copyright issues, you'd think a newspaper would be interested in maintaining journalistic integrity. If they want to run the picture, put some black bars across the women at least. I just really have a problem with doctoring of photojournalist's images, whether they do it themselves (which has happened on several occasions) or someone else does it. It's far beyond harmless

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

The lack of assimilation

this is something we do really well, INDY. i'd argue that we are indeed exceptional in this area, especially compared to countries that might be economically and socially liberal, but are culturally conservative.

i'd argue, however, that wringing your hands over Sharia law creates precisely the kind of conditions over here that exist over there and thus make assimilation of different groups much more difficult than it is over here.

Muslims in America tend to be prosperous, happy citizens, they are not segregated into suburban ghettos like in Paris. the best way to radicalize American Muslims is to start treating them like terrorists.

[yolland]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Apart from copyright issues, you'd think a newspaper would be interested in maintaining journalistic integrity.

Well, I don't disagree, but having some idea of the types who publish and read "Der Zeitung," any concept of their commitment to "journalistic integrity" makes me giggle.

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i'd argue, however, that wringing your hands over Sharia law creates precisely the kind of conditions over here that exist over there and thus make assimilation of different groups much more difficult than it is over here.

Muslims in America tend to be prosperous, happy citizens, they are not segregated into suburban ghettos like in Paris. the best way to radicalize American Muslims is to start treating them like terrorists.

Ghettoization is a huge part of the problem in Europe, I've certainly seen some of that firsthand and I know you have too.

[Irvine511]

other than AIDS in Africa, perhaps the only other area in which i liked what Bush did was his extensive efforts to make clear that Islam was not the enemy and that Muslims are not the enemy.

we need to continue this. Obama's Cairo speech was a great step forward, and is likely a part of the Arab Spring.

[kramwest1]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Muslims in America tend to be prosperous, happy citizens, they are not segregated into suburban ghettos like in Paris.

Not officially and not on a broad scale, but...

Relocating mosque forces Bedlam Theatre to move | Minnesota Public Radio News

This story didn't receive as much coverage as it should have.

This neighborhood has become known as "Little Somalia" or "Little Mogadishu." It is damn close to being a Somali ghetto. It made sense to relocate the mosque close to the large population it will serve, but kicking out a very liberal (some would say anarchist or communist) theater and bar doesn't exactly help with assimilation.
Relations are fairly good in Minneapolis, however this move helps to isolate what is already an amazingly isolated neighborhood anyway. There is one more theater and a couple nightclubs still in the neighborhood, but I know many people (mostly women) who don't like to go there because of the gangs of Somali boys who hang around on the streets with little to do.

FWIW

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by yolland

Well, I don't disagree, but having some idea of the types who publish and read "Der Zeitung," any concept of their commitment to "journalistic integrity" makes me giggle.

Hahaha, well, I can't speak to that. Even still, if their publication is a rag, it doesn't give them free reign. But ya, I think we're on the same page

[yolland]

There's actually a pretty strong case to be made that for a self-identified "newspaper" to alter photos, no matter their source, violates Jewish law (beyond the problem of violating the copyright laws of the land, which almost certainly violates Jewish law). But where "modesty" is concerned, it just would be a total waste of time engaging most Hasidim in a discussion about that.

In Israel they do this too, for example opposition leader and oftentime Cabinet member Tzipi Livni is routinely cropped or brushed out of Hasidic papers' photos (writing about her isn't a problem, likewise I guarantee you many of those airbrushing HRC out or approving of that nonetheless voted for her for Senator).

[deep]

comely
lead us not into lust.

[coolian2]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

It's a violation of copyright. If someone altered my photo without consent I'd be pissed

also yeah, a copyright fuck up too.

[yolland]

Originally Posted by deep

comely
lead us not into lust.

If they were doing it selectively based on men's attractiveness ratings, that would be even more degrading.

Nice touch on the smilie though; its provenance is quite amusing.