Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[mad1]

let me ask you peeps a question


Do you think, if Bush was still president, he would have released the pics?

[canedge]

Originally Posted by cobl04

I would have thought writing songs for fake movies is a little different to one of the biggest countries in the world "faking" Osama's death.

But maybe that's just me.

The point is that though I do believe he is dead, It is plausable and possible that this could happen.

[AchtungBono]

Originally Posted by mad1

let me ask you peeps a question


Do you think, if Bush was still president, he would have released the pics?

I don't know if he would have released the pictures to the general public but I have no doubt that he would have called a special meeting with representatives of the victims of 9/11 and, behind closed doors, he may have either shown the pictures or offered some other kind of tangible proof that the murderer of their loved ones is dead.

So, yes....I believe he would.

[canedge]

Originally Posted by BVS

I want you to think about this comparison a little more... or a lot more, whatever it takes.

My point is that powerful people can, but do not always do, manufacture scenarios that an unassuming public can buy hook line and sinker.

In this case I think its legit.

We are so distant from Middle Asia or Midldle East that we can't really comment on it. Because we are the mercy of the press for our info, let alone cataclismic cultural differences, language barriers and misunderstandings.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by AchtungBono

but I have no doubt that he would have called a special meeting with representatives of the victims of 9/11 and, behind closed doors, he may have either shown the pictures or offered some other kind of tangible proof that the murderer of their loved ones is dead.

So, yes....I believe he would.

You have no doubt? Really? Even after how him and his party has treated the victims family you have no doubt he would have done this? And why?

[canedge]

I can see that you are frustrated by my 'trumping'* this converstaion BVS. But when BO released the birth cert everyone shut up. Why can't he do the same with the pics?

*trumping is the persitent and annoying demand for evidence from Barack Obama

[BVS]

Originally Posted by canedge

My point is that powerful people can, but do not always do, manufacture scenarios that an unassuming public can buy hook line and sinker.

In this case I think its legit.

We are so distant from Middle Asia or Midldle East that we can't really comment on it. Because we are the mercy of the press for our info, let alone cataclismic cultural differences, language barriers and misunderstandings.

A band no one has heard of pulling a hoax, very very easy. Now what you forgot about that story is that they eventually got figured out.

Now a country lying to the world in the day and age of internet, not so easy. Just like the music hoax it would eventually be figured out. Bin Laden would just have to prove he was still alive and it puts the whole country and people's careers at risk.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by canedge

I can see that you are frustrated by my 'trumping'* this converstaion BVS. But when BO released the birth cert everyone shut up. Why can't he do the same with the pics?

*trumping is the persitent and annoying demand for evidence from Barack Obama

Nice use of the word

These are two different scenarios.

But let me just ask you this.

Why would you believe a photo and how would you know it's real?

This isn't 1950.

[canedge]

Photoshop, as this thread has proven, is the ultimate mechanisim of skewing reality.

I would probably believe a photo but admit it could be easily doctored.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by canedge

Photoshop, as this thread has proven, is the ultimate mechanisim of skewing reality.

I would probably believe a photo but admit it could be easily doctored.

And this is my point, all of you that are asking for a photo you look pretty foolish because a: you wouldn't know if it's Osama or George, and b: you wouldn't know if it's doctored.

[canedge]

Doubt, criticsim, vigilant opposition are all healthy signs of a democracy. If they are not present it is just some version of Al queada

[Earnie Shavers]

Hey?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by canedge

Doubt, criticsim, vigilant opposition are all healthy signs of a democracy. If they are not present it is just some version of Al queada

Way to avoid the direct question

You're right, but educated doubt, educated criticism, and informed opposition are healthy signs of a demorcacy.

Otherwise you're just the Tea Party.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by canedge

The point is that though I do believe he is dead, It is plausable and possible that this could happen.

it's also possible that obama is a robot. do you have proof that he isn't a robot? how can you be sure?

[I Move in Mysterious Ways]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

it's also possible that obama is a robot. do you have proof that he isn't a robot? how can you be sure?

I knew something wasn't right.

[U2Fanatic4ever]

I was tricked in 2008! Damn it..

I want my vote back.. nao.

[kramwest1]

Here's a summary of the SEAL raid from Popular Science:

Before the Raid, SEALs Rehearsed in a Full-Scale Replica of the Bin Laden Compound | Popular Science


They mention the possible stealth/secret helicopter debris, too:

The Helicopter That Crashed in the Bin Laden Raid Was a Secret Stealth Helicopter | Popular Science

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by canedge

I don't think that it was a big cover up, but it is plausable that someone could create a fake scenario a la wag the dog.

It is also possible for a celebrity to fake a death and have the whole world believe it.

One more thought: Before what we know as World Music appeared, a band in Germany did a series of recordings called "Ethnic Forgeries." That was simiilar to the U2/Passengers project.

They created an album of a tribe or group that may or may not exisist. And people bought it.

yes, this is a totally appropriate comparison.

[AchtungBono]

Originally Posted by BVS

You have no doubt? Really? Even after how him and his party has treated the victims family you have no doubt he would have done this? And why?

If nothing else, then to vindicate himself and give a fat "Misson Accomplished" to all the naysayers.

How did he treat the victim's families?

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by canedge

One more thought: Before what we know as World Music appeared, a band in Germany did a series of recordings called "Ethnic Forgeries." That was simiilar to the U2/Passengers project.

They created an album of a tribe or group that may or may not exisist. And people bought it.

Well I guess Osama must not be dead. Shit.