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Old 05-03-2011, 10:04 PM   #441
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my mistake

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But for real, more than just you and who you respond to are trying to follow the discussions. If you quote them properly, everyone knows who you're talking to and what the context is. Just keeps things a little more organized
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:13 PM   #442
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:20 PM   #446
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and theer was no firefight, he was unarmed.
One detail I was wondering about was whether the SEALs knew he was unarmed at the moment they shot him.

fwiw, I personally was quite surprised that someone with that many mortal enemies would ever allow himself to be without a deadly weapon close at hand.
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Materials taken from the compound included 10 hard drives, five computers and more than 100 storage devices, such as disks, DVDs and thumb drives, a senior U.S. official told CNN Tuesday.
Well, that together with the number of people scattered throughout the compound (about two dozen) explains why it took 40 minutes.
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It sounds like there was a firefight, and that Osama wasn't a part of it. He was apparently the last person in the compound that the Americans saw. He supposedly made a move interpreted as reaching for a weapon, and they fired at him.
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One detail I was wondering about was whether the SEALs knew he was unarmed at the moment they shot him.
I wondered about that as well, and figured probably not. To me, the most likely scenario was one of "better safe than sorry"...if he made any move like he may have a weapon, or towards a weapon, while he may technically be unarmed, they had just reason to shoot to protect themselves.



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....[sic]... He supposedly made a move interpreted as reaching for a weapon, and they fired at him.
Ooo! My hypothetical scenario is supported by the feds. Woot!
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Interesting and well written....but totally impractical.

I think Pac-Mule explained it best in a previous post - the security costs of a trial would be astronomical, not to mention that no normal lawyer would take the case to defend him. Also, if a defendant has the right to face his accuser then this wouldn't be the case here because his accusers are all dead by his hand.

Besides, you would have to find a very remote corner of the United States to even begin to find a jury and venue that would be impartial. Maybe somewhere in the Rocky mountains there are 12 people who haven't heard of him or what he's done - but I doubt it.

As far as I'm concerned he HAD his trial. Obama was the judge, the people of NYC were the prosecutors, Bin Laden's lawyers were Hezbollah, The Taliban, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, he gave testimony in the form of all the tapes he released over the years, the evidence against him was the smoldering remains of the WTC, the pentagon and United flight 93, as well as the gaping hole in the USS Cole and the wreckage of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania (among others). The American people were the jury who handed out the sentence of death (deservedly) and the SEALS were the executioners....end of story.
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obama desperately wanted to put KSM on trial, and do it in manhattan. he realized eventually that the security costs alone would make such a thing incredibly impractical. and that's for the #2 guy... for bin laden? forget it...

this man did not plan a criminal act. he planned an act of war. he got what he deserved.

now let's start backing most of our troops out and focus our efforts in the war on terror on strategic strikes, special ops and drone strikes.
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obama desperately wanted to put KSM on trial, and do it in manhattan. he realized eventually that the security costs alone would make such a thing incredibly impractical. and that's for the #2 guy... for bin laden? forget it...

this man did not plan a criminal act. he planned an act of war. he got what he deserved.

now let's start backing most of our troops out and focus our efforts in the war on terror on strategic strikes, special ops and drone strikes.
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I don't think he was ever coming out of there alive.

The story is muddled - or evolving - from others, possibly because the question of evidence is changing, or the evidence itself is changing, thus they're forced to start reigning it into the truth, but look at what Obama has actually said. He must have it right from the get go, he can't get caught out later. So...

During the initial TV speech:
"After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden."

And at the dinner the following night:
"an operation that resulted in the capture and death of Osama bin Laden."

There was a firefight, then they caught bin Laden, then they killed him.
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The last two paragraphs of this article are so absurd, I can't believe a professional writer actually wrote it. The suggestion that Bin Laden might actually be remorseful when confronted my the families affected by 9/11 or after serving significant jail time is a tough sell to say the least.
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obama desperately wanted to put KSM on trial, and do it in manhattan. he realized eventually that the security costs alone would make such a thing incredibly impractical. and that's for the #2 guy... for bin laden? forget it...

this man did not plan a criminal act. he planned an act of war. he got what he deserved.

now let's start backing most of our troops out and focus our efforts in the war on terror on strategic strikes, special ops and drone strikes.


no one breathed a sigh of relief at eichmann's trial, just at his hanging.

cut the middle man, the red tape, and take him out in one fell swoop. i'd be very surprised if they ever truly considered taking him alive. they already had several confessions he provided on his own, so what was the point?
plus we would have gotten a bunch of these "release him or we will bomb a major US city" threats or actual suicide bombings in the name of his release.

good fucking riddance
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no one breathed a sigh of relief at eichmann's trial, just at his hanging.

cut the middle man, the red tape, and take him out in one fell swoop. i'd be very surprised if they ever truly considered taking him alive. they already had several confessions he provided on his own, so what was the point?
plus we would have gotten a bunch of these "release him or we will bomb a major US city" threats or actual suicide bombings in the name of his release.

good fucking riddance
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no normal lawyer would take the case to defend him. Also, if a defendant has the right to face his accuser then this wouldn't be the case here because his accusers are all dead by his hand.
You're wrong on both those accounts.

There certainly would be "normal" lawyers who would defend him. It is a basic tenet of our legal system.

Secondly, it is absolutely not a requirement that the defendant has the "right" to face his accuser in the sense that you are thinking of - if it were so, then no murderer would be able to have a trial. Obviously illogical. As this is a criminal matter, the accuser is the state and not the victim.

Edited to add: I am not in favour of him having had a trial, but let's at least put forth reasonable arguments for why that would not be the best idea. Costs/security is one, for example.
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there's always a lawyer who will take the case.

i'm glad glock, esquire took this particular case.
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