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Pearl · 05-03-2011, 05:01 PM

Despite all the relief that OBL is no longer on earth, Al-Qaeda still is. Just because the ringleader is dead doesn't mean the movement is. Al-Qaeda could easily find a new leader (one of OBL's sons or al-Zawahiri) or will splinter into other, just as dangerous groups. So, I can't get too excited about Osama's death. There's still a lot of work to do.

vaz02 · 05-03-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearl

Despite all the relief that OBL is no longer on earth, Al-Qaeda still is. Just because the ringleader is dead doesn't mean the movement is. Al-Qaeda could easily find a new leader (one of OBL's sons or al-Zawahiri) or will splinter into other, just as dangerous groups. So, I can't get too excited about Osama's death. There's still a lot of work to do.

OBL was nothing more than a poster boy for the war on terror. He's had no real control of the ' group ' for many a year.

U2DMfan · 05-03-2011, 05:11 PM

Bin Laden was more myth than man anyhow. And that IS the point.

When you shoot that myth in pieces for all the world to see, it's doesn't grow in stature. It does the opposite. It makes little difference how much operational control he actually had. We're trying to defeat an ideology more than anything. Part of that is destroying the myth of Bin Laden as the thorn in Great Satan's side (I know that's an Iranian phrase, but it's a cool phrase to type).

Irvine511 · 05-03-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vaz02

Yeah we got Osama USA USA USA !!!

You want proof ? Thats unamerican. You must be a commie.......

Just a few of the things I've heard today from Americans at work.

poor thing.

Pearl · 05-03-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by U2DMfan

We're trying to defeat an ideology more than anything.

Exactly. Doing so won't work by killing, but through dialogue and campaigns to brainwash radicals.

ryancoke71 · 05-03-2011, 06:26 PM

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MBS · 05-03-2011, 06:30 PM

It would be a lie if I said I wasn't glad he's gone. But, I'm certainly not celebrating. After all, as many of you have said...a threat still exists. There is still a fear of retaliation, the bad guys aren't gone. And as one news station was saying today, if they scatter and become even more decentralized than they already are, they may be even more dangerous (and difficult to track).

However, I also sort of think of OBL as the gingerbread man. Albeit an evil, dastardly, mass murdering one.....he was the man that couldn't be caught. That myth and storyline can give a lot of hope, as it were, to a movement. Hope isn't quite the right word, but I hope it conveys the idea. Anyway, catching him deflates the whole thing. Will the followers all suddenly go: "oh noes! They caught him, I guess that's the end of that then. I no longer hate the West or believe these ideologies anymore. I shall now pursue my dreams of being the best damn baker around!" ...I doubt it. But there is something to be said for taking out the poster boy.

MBS · 05-03-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearl

Exactly. Doing so won't work by killing, but through dialogue and campaigns to brainwash radicals.

We're going to brainwash their brainwashing?
They're going to have the cleanest brains in town.

Jive Turkey · 05-03-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MBS

I also sort of think of OBL as the gingerbread man. Albeit an evil, dastardly, mass murdering one

MBS · 05-03-2011, 06:37 PM

My apologies if the analogy seems to trivialize the things he and his followers have done. That was not my intention. It was simply the myth of the un-catchable that I was trying to relate to. And I have to think the fact that the Great and Mighty West was unable to catch him was a source of some inspiration.

deep · 05-03-2011, 06:44 PM

anyone that is still hanging on to the belief that this is a scam

that OBL was not killed in the compound, will have to tell this woman that she imagined the whole thing and got a mystery gunshot wound to facilitate the hoax.

Osama Bin Laden's Wife Wounded During Raid - ABC News

Jive Turkey · 05-03-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MBS

My apologies if the analogy seems to trivialize the things he and his followers have done. That was not my intention. It was simply the myth of the un-catchable that I was trying to relate to. And I have to think the fact that the Great and Mighty West was unable to catch him was a source of some inspiration.

oh, no. Believe me, I enjoyed the analogy a great deal

Irvine511 · 05-03-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

that OBL was not killed in the compound, will have to tell this woman that she imagined the whole thing and got a mystery gunshot wound to facilitate the hoax.

it's amazing the lengths the Americans will go to in order to justify their attacks on peace and justice. they can do anything, even as they do everything wrong.

deep · 05-03-2011, 06:54 PM

I don't know if this has been posted yet
but, there is a lot of bad information

That OBL used a woman as a shield and he died in a firefight.

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Osama bin Laden was unarmed when killed, White House says
By Michael A. Memoli, Washington Bureau

11:47 AM PDT, May 3, 2011

Osama bin Laden was not armed when U.S. forces shot and killed him, the White House announced Tuesday.

Press Secretary Jay Carney delivered a fuller public readout of the 40-minute raid on the Al Qaeda leader’s compound, during which he also clarified that Bin Laden’s wife was shot, but not killed, as was stated Monday.

"There was concern that Bin Laden would oppose the capture operation and indeed he did resist," Carney, reading from notes, said. "In the room with Bin Laden, a woman, Bin Laden's wife, rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg, but not killed."

He later said that "resistance" does not "require a firearm."

The "narrative," as Carney described it, was provided by the Pentagon, he said.

He hid behind no woman.

and theer was no firefight, he was unarmed.

deep · 05-03-2011, 07:32 PM

Now they say the dead Osama picture will be released.

canedge · 05-03-2011, 07:44 PM

it's doesn't grow in stature. It does the opposite

excellent point.

Jive Turkey · 05-03-2011, 08:02 PM

Dude, what do you have against the quote button? That's super annoying

BoMac · 05-03-2011, 08:13 PM

^I said the same thing a few pages back.

canedge · 05-03-2011, 08:16 PM

my mistake.

MBS · 05-03-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

Now they say the dead Osama picture will be released.

I wish they wouldn't. I have no desire to see that.

05-03-2011, 05:01 PM	#421
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 09:57 PM	Despite all the relief that OBL is no longer on earth, Al-Qaeda still is. Just because the ringleader is dead doesn't mean the movement is. Al-Qaeda could easily find a new leader (one of OBL's sons or al-Zawahiri) or will splinter into other, just as dangerous groups. So, I can't get too excited about Osama's death. There's still a lot of work to do. __________________

05-03-2011, 08:13 PM	#438
BoMac Self-righteous bullshitter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise Posts: 16,900 Local Time: 10:57 PM	^I said the same thing a few pages back. __________________

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05-03-2011, 05:11 PM	#423
U2DMfan Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: It's Inside A Black Hole Posts: 6,637 Local Time: 07:57 PM	Bin Laden was more myth than man anyhow. And that IS the point. When you shoot that myth in pieces for all the world to see, it's doesn't grow in stature. It does the opposite. It makes little difference how much operational control he actually had. We're trying to defeat an ideology more than anything. Part of that is destroying the myth of Bin Laden as the thorn in Great Satan's side (I know that's an Iranian phrase, but it's a cool phrase to type).

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ryancoke71 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14,678 Local Time: 09:57 PM	MLK, Mark Twain quotes go viral -- and are wrong - CNN.com

05-03-2011, 06:30 PM	#427
MBS Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Under the covers.......I mean undercover.....shifty Posts: 3,597 Local Time: 09:57 PM	It would be a lie if I said I wasn't glad he's gone. But, I'm certainly not celebrating. After all, as many of you have said...a threat still exists. There is still a fear of retaliation, the bad guys aren't gone. And as one news station was saying today, if they scatter and become even more decentralized than they already are, they may be even more dangerous (and difficult to track). However, I also sort of think of OBL as the gingerbread man. Albeit an evil, dastardly, mass murdering one.....he was the man that couldn't be caught. That myth and storyline can give a lot of hope, as it were, to a movement. Hope isn't quite the right word, but I hope it conveys the idea. Anyway, catching him deflates the whole thing. Will the followers all suddenly go: "oh noes! They caught him, I guess that's the end of that then. I no longer hate the West or believe these ideologies anymore. I shall now pursue my dreams of being the best damn baker around!" ...I doubt it. But there is something to be said for taking out the poster boy.

05-03-2011, 06:37 PM	#430
MBS Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Under the covers.......I mean undercover.....shifty Posts: 3,597 Local Time: 09:57 PM	My apologies if the analogy seems to trivialize the things he and his followers have done. That was not my intention. It was simply the myth of the un-catchable that I was trying to relate to. And I have to think the fact that the Great and Mighty West was unable to catch him was a source of some inspiration.

05-03-2011, 06:44 PM	#431
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:57 PM	anyone that is still hanging on to the belief that this is a scam that OBL was not killed in the compound, will have to tell this woman that she imagined the whole thing and got a mystery gunshot wound to facilitate the hoax. Osama Bin Laden's Wife Wounded During Raid - ABC News

05-03-2011, 07:32 PM	#435
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:57 PM	Now they say the dead Osama picture will be released.

05-03-2011, 07:44 PM	#436
canedge Refugee Join Date: May 2005 Location: die for you baby, DIVE for you baby! Posts: 1,480 Local Time: 08:57 PM	it's doesn't grow in stature. It does the opposite excellent point.

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Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 09:57 PM	Dude, what do you have against the quote button? That's super annoying

05-03-2011, 08:16 PM	#439
canedge Refugee Join Date: May 2005 Location: die for you baby, DIVE for you baby! Posts: 1,480 Local Time: 08:57 PM	my mistake.