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Old 05-02-2011, 11:31 PM   #321
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After "chomping at the bit" to green light every script that depicted the United States military as thugs, murderers and rapists the past 8 years (that they all tanked at the box office being of no concern) how refreshing to think we might see the heroism and excellence of our troops portrayed on the big screen again.

you're right. movies that examine PTSD and the enormous psychological toll these needless, endless wars have taken on our troops are a total waste of time. the fact that (realistic) war films don't usually do "well" so-to-speak until a good 20 years after the war has ended (see Stone, Oliver) or when dealing with clear right-and-wrong (see Spielberg, Steven) has everything to do with the fact that Hollywood is a bunch of lefties who hated Bush and the gold old American public sure showed them by not going to see small, independent, unsettling Iraq movies like "Valley of Elah" or "Brothers" or "The Hurt Locker," all those Oscars and critical acclaim be damned.



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Old 05-02-2011, 11:32 PM   #322
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When I flew into LAX last year (I'm from Australia) I was really shocked by customs and airport security.

i was shocked (and delighted) by your country's total lack of airport security. you could even keep your shoes on!
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When I flew into LAX last year (I'm from Australia) I was really shocked by customs and airport security.
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I work in downtown Chicago. I'll admit to feeling a bit uneasy down there today, looking up at all the skyscrapers as I was walking to work. Really unsettling feeling...

As for Bin Laden, am I sorry to hear that he's dead? No. But... I'd like to live up to the ideals of this man:
I hear you. I take the subway every day and am a bit nervous. I just hope the terrorists don't realize there is a subway in LA.

I know that killing Bin Laden isn't going to change things but it still felt damn good.
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i was shocked (and delighted) by your country's total lack of airport security. you could even keep your shoes on!
And here I am grumpy about how much security there is at Aussie/Kiwi airports compared to the nineties! US airports felt like prisons to me; it was kind of unnerving.
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Pretty much how I feel in reflection. Am I glad bin Laden is dead? Sure. Are we going to see the U.S. go back to the way it used to be? Nope.

The last 10 years have been horrible for America. We have seen the government subvert the telecom industry to help it spy on its own citizens, Muslim-Americans terrorized because of their religion, a war in Iraq having nothing to do with OBL resulting in the deaths of 6,000 American servicemen and 100,000 + civilians, the TSA tinkering with your civil rights at the airport and grabbing your dick, and not to mention the government finding the legal justification for torturing detainees, assassinating American citizens in the name of counter-terror ops, and kids growing up in the Jack Bauer 2000s in a reality where torture is okay, if the good guys are doing it.

bin Laden won the war a long time ago. Killing him is more of a satisfying, but hollow victory if you look back at the events following Sept. 11th.
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When I flew into LAX last year (I'm from Australia) I was really shocked by customs and airport security. They're just doing their job, obviously, but I remember the walls being like a light shade of vomit yellow, big ugly pillars, long queues of international passengers, and extremely severe men and woman ordering lines around, checking passports, doing fingerprints, etc. I understand the level of security, but for that to be the very first thing I experienced in America was a bit disheartening. Even when we tried to be casual, say hello, "we're excited", all the bullshit small talk or whatever, there was a complete non-response from the staff
yeah, i mean i can understand why security's a bit tighter in america i guess, but i hate it. i'm lucky in that since i'm an american citizen i don't need to be fingerprinted (unless something's changed since i left last june), but yeah.

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i was shocked (and delighted) by your country's total lack of airport security. you could even keep your shoes on!
ha, for real. i always make it a point in flying in flip flops (partially because they seem less easy to hide anything in and thus they should leave me alone, but also because i can kick off my shoes in flight and not worry about smelly feet) and i hate that i still have to take them off - yet another reason i wear flip flops, because i can easily remove them and put them on in security.

though i will say i got fucking interrogated in security when i flew to australia once. i had my visa, return ticket, everything, and i've got to admit that was the only time anyone in security in any country made me feel like i'd done something wrong just by visiting. (it wasn't harsh or something but the guy made me feel like no answer was the right answer.)

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And here I am grumpy about how much security there is at Aussie/Kiwi airports compared to the nineties! US airports felt like prisons to me; it was kind of unnerving.
god i miss the nineties in terms of airport security. i loved being able to just walk up to a gate in an airport. i think of movies where people would drop someone off at the airport and wait at the gate, you can't do that anymore. it was neat when you're six and your dad goes on a business trip and you can be at the gate to get a hug when he gets off the plane. plus i had an online friend once who was flying to europe and had a couple hours' layover where i lived, so i went to the airport to meet them. couldn't do that today, unless they came out and were willing to go through security again.
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I heard the one thing that actually made airplane flying safer after 9/11/01 was strengthening the cockpit doors.

That's it. For everything we've done, that's it. What blows my mind is how easy it'd be to bomb the big long security line, which would have the same disruptive effect as actually making it onto the plane.
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bombing the security line would not have the same effect as flying a plane into a building and taking it down.
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Maybe, but I'd imagine it would take a fair slice out of the airport and surrounds.
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bombing the security line would not have the same effect as flying a plane into a building and taking it down.
Well, the reinforced cockpit doors prevent that. It's blowing up a plane in midair versus the effect of several coordinated airport blasts.
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The only part of this that I question is the burial at sea. It seems strange to dispose of his body so quickly regardless of respect for Islamic laws. I'd think the obvious thing to do would be to hang onto the body but claim it was buried at sea to appease anyone who might be offended otherwise.
yeah i was wondering if the burial at sea was a smoke-screen... it's all a bit odd...
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An arch-terrorist responsible for thousands of deaths is hiding in a civillian compound surrounded by family members and killed by soldiers of the country whose citizens were murdered on his orders:

Ok let's see what should happen now......

1. The U.N. security council convenes and passes a resolution condemming the agression against another member state.

2. A commission of inquiry is set up to investigate this operation.

3. The commission releases its report with a finding that war crimes were committed because of the civillian casualties caused during the operation.

4. There are protests around the world calling for the leaders to be put on trial in the Hague for human rights violations and the killing of civillians.

5. The leaders are placed on "Most wanted" lists and barred from entering certain countries for fear of arrest.

6. There is universal condemnation of the violation of a sovereign nations air space during the commission of an illegal military operation.


Oh....wait a second.....it was the UNITED STATES that did this......not Israel.



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I work in downtown Chicago. I'll admit to feeling a bit uneasy down there today, looking up at all the skyscrapers as I was walking to work. Really unsettling feeling...

As for Bin Laden, am I sorry to hear that he's dead? No. But... I'd like to live up to the ideals of this man:

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
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yeah... perfect quote Diemen... the whole thing has left me feeling quite strange... i'm glad they finally found Bin Laden, and he did say he would die fighting... but i don't take pleasure in death, and i feel uneasy hearing it described as "justice"... what kind of "justice" is that? "justice" by the bullet? if we claim to find justice in death/assassination however it's described, i think we're sending out quite a dangerous message there...
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Maybe, but I'd imagine it would take a fair slice out of the airport and surrounds.
yeah, look at the Moscow bombing - didn't they just walk into the arrivals area?
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I heard the one thing that actually made airplane flying safer after 9/11/01 was strengthening the cockpit doors.

That's it. For everything we've done, that's it. What blows my mind is how easy it'd be to bomb the big long security line, which would have the same disruptive effect as actually making it onto the plane.
exactly. i could see the initial strengthening of airport security (though tsa needs to be replaced, they were never meant to be a permanent addition) so not just any joe blow can walk through the airport*. but that's all they seem to be focusing on, is the freaking security checkpoint before you can enter terminals. plus i gotta admit, i do chuckle at some smoker having to repeatedly go through security if they keep popping outside (and smoking outside the door rather than the designated area, but that's another thread) to have a smoke.



* though since all the us seems to be concerned with in terms of security is knee-jerk reactions to past events, they need to realise these people had plane tickets anyway. it's not like someone snuck on a plane, and even years later people were still able to sneak things past security that they shouldn't have been able to.
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Terrorist attacks are like plane crashes and shark attacks, base fears that no statistics proving their one-in-a-many-bazillion-chances can seem to allay. But really, if you’re worried about being at that end of that carriage of that train on that line coming out of that station at that moment in time on that day in that city in that country when that guys backpack blows up, you should probably spend an equal amount of time worrying about being on your way to the train station and finding that you are at that spot on that footpath on that corner of that street in that city at that moment in time when that bus driver has a heart attack and runs that bus off the road.
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Ok, I'm prepared to accept that he is dead. I just find the timing of the announcement a bit suspicious.
But when wouldn't it be easy to call the timing suspicious? Possibly only literally the day after an election. At any other time, it's always going to be too easy to say its a distraction from that other thing that's going on, or electoral booster for that person or whatever. People have been joking about this for years, that whichever president, whenever it happens, the announcement of catching or killing bin Laden will be a political stunt. Too easy/cop out to say it is now. Plus, you're making a call on a political conspiracy, and I would think that the US military would probably give you a fairly quick F.U. for suggesting that they'd be in on that.
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But when wouldn't it be easy to call the timing suspicious? Possibly only literally the day after an election. At any other time, it's always going to be too easy to say its a distraction from that other thing that's going on, or electoral booster for that person or whatever. People have been joking about this for years, that whichever president, whenever it happens, the announcement of catching or killing bin Laden will be a political stunt. Too easy/cop out to say it is now. Plus, you're making a call on a political conspiracy, and I would think that the US military would probably give you a fairly quick F.U. for suggesting that they'd be in on that.
not to mention, the us government leaks like a sieve. in the same way they could never have kept a september 11 conspiracy under their collective hat, there's just no way they're competent enough to keep this quiet.
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