Ongoing Mass Shooting Thread #3... that's right, a third thread. Because 'Murica.

[YBORCITY]

Cool, then there's a massive fire and kids die because there are only 3 doors.

As long as we still can have our guns..... I don't see a problem with this.

 

[PhilsFan]

Also way less doors to get out when there is ... you know ... a school shooter.

Even when he's standing outside a school that had one of its own students commit this mass murder, they still treat everything as if it's fucking stranger danger outsiders doing this.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

To cori’s point, isn’t it sad that people are *actually* talking about how to build a building so that it’s commando-resistant?

 

[DaveC]

Can we please legalize prostitution? These loner, sexually frustrated males just need to get laid and I think a lot of this goes away.

there is so much wrong about this paragraph that i'm just going to assume you're joking and save myself the effort.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

To cori’s point, isn’t it sad that people are *actually* talking about how to build a building so that it’s commando-resistant?

This.

 

[Irvine511]

I really do think we need to start taking people’s guns.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Here’s the thing, I think yeah, we need to take their guns.

But I also think its important to not make this a political war in regards to school shootings. The right has adopted the “mental health” argument in lieu of not wanting to talk about guns.

This argument is still valid. That kid isn’t right in the head, no question. Nor was the last one or any of them prior. Not having access to a gun helps *a lot*, but it doesn’t stop their desire to harm.

But the signs *are* there. They’re all over social media. And I’m not just talking about the “Born to Kill” t shirt. It’s far beyond that. Much like terrorism having a presence on social media, I was reading some shit on Twitter. There are an endless amount of accounts... a straight up network... of people who praise or are allured by school shooters. Kids. This kid being one of them. Some of their feeds are legitimately obsessions of shooters.

These people are not right in the head. It’s foolish to not acknowledge that when the writing is literally on the Twitter wall. It astounds me that this stuff doesn’t get shut down or there’s nothing the law can do about it.

 

[bono_212]

They haven't adopted it, though, because they're not DOING anything about it. They're taking AWAY access to healthcare. SAYING something and doing something are two different things.

Gun laws don't require you to lock up your guns.

His dad had legal guns.

He got the guns.

His mental health care may have prevented this. But the access to the guns enabled it.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I feel like you sort of ignored my point and responded in a fashion that suggests we are in disagreement.

 

[dabiggestu2fan]

Is it just me or do republicans think it is more important to protect unborn fetuses than it is to protect born children?? They seem to make a huge deal about abortions but when mass shooting happen the only “solution” they can come to is to bring more guns! Maybe school should be called large uteruses so that the children inside the school can have the same attention and protection as unborn fetuses. Sure protect the unborn children so that they are born into a world where they can get raped and murdered.

 

[BEAL]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...oter-killed-girl-who-turned-down-his-advances

When sexually frustrated men get the idea that there’ll never be hope for them to get laid (to pass on their genes), there’s a very good chance they’ll become violent.

Guns are definitely the number one problem. But maybe we need to require young males to undergo counseling to let them know the world isn’t over if they get rejected.

 

[DaveC]

this "they wouldn't be violent if they just got laid" is nonsense.

as if getting your dick wet is this magical switch that flips violent hate-filled shitlords into awesome happy people. the onus should not be on women to have sex with violent angry young men as the solution to this problem.

besides, the violent ones (incels) don't want anything to do with sexually available women anyways - they all think women are "ruined" (to put it mildly) the instant they express their sexuality in any way outside of the context of the traditional "we waited until our wedding night". they don't want to just fuck, they want a specific and unrealistic vision of what they think idealized love should be (she has to look like a supermodel but so innocent and pure that she has never even so much as looked at another man until i came along but also she has to just intuitively know how to fuck like a porn star, and be fully subservient like a stepford wife at all times), and the reason they never get it is because their standards and expectations are so high they're doomed to fail from the start. they get rejected because when every woman on earth inevitably fails to meet their impossible standards they blame everything and everyone else except themselves and get angry at the world because they see the game as so absurdly rigged against them that they don't stand a chance, so there's no point in even trying to do anything but rage quit and smash the board.

they don't want escorts because they're the ultimate used-up sluts. incels wouldn't even knowingly be in the same room as a prostitute and if you tried to force it the only outcome of that would be a whole lot of dead sex workers.

this is not a problem you solve by getting incels laid. *they* need to change who they are as people, fundamentally. that's the only solution.

 

[bono_212]

This is so fucking pathetic. Just accept a no and move the fuck on.



I saw a video on Facebook the other day about some country (Netherlands?) that starts sex education when the kids are in, like, kindergarten, including the understanding that your body is yours and it's OK to say no. I wish people would stop being so puritanical and realize we need something like that here. We don't have to talk about sex explicitly with 5 year olds, but starting early with the knowledge that they don't get to tell other people what to do with their bodies? Sure.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Is it just me or do republicans think it is more important to protect unborn fetuses than it is to protect born children?? They seem to make a huge deal about abortions but when mass shooting happen the only “solution” they can come to is to bring more guns!

I've often wondered why we don't see pro-life groups protesting outside NRA headquarters, or at various political events, when these school shootings happen. If all life is truly sacred, like pro-lifers keep insisting, I'd think they'd be all over these tragedies, too. Maybe there are some who are, but it doesn't seem like they're as vocal as they should be overall.

But that's another reason some of us are pro-choice-why bother bringing more children into this world when we can't be guaranteed people will take proper care of and protect the ones who are already here?

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I have an answer to your wonders.

Sports. Team. Politics.

 

[Gzusfrk]

I've often wondered why we don't see pro-life groups protesting outside NRA headquarters, or at various political events, when these school shootings happen. If all life is truly sacred, like pro-lifers keep insisting, I'd think they'd be all over these tragedies, too. Maybe there are some who are, but it doesn't seem like they're as vocal as they should be overall.

But that's another reason some of us are pro-choice-why bother bringing more children into this world when we can't be guaranteed people will take proper care of and protect the ones who are already here?

Just a thought, but maybe because NRA members aren’t the ones shooting anyone???

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

NRA members need to realize that their little hunting club has turned into nothing more than a shill for gun manufacturers and will use all of their power not to protect 2nd amendment rights, but rather to make sure that no reasonable law that might hurt the bottom line of said manufacturers is ever enacted.

 

[bono_212]

Just a thought, but maybe because NRA members aren’t the ones shooting anyone??[emoji848]

Nope, they just enable it.

 

[dabiggestu2fan]

I've often wondered why we don't see pro-life groups protesting outside NRA headquarters, or at various political events, when these school shootings happen. If all life is truly sacred, like pro-lifers keep insisting, I'd think they'd be all over these tragedies, too. Maybe there are some who are, but it doesn't seem like they're as vocal as they should be overall.

But that's another reason some of us are pro-choice-why bother bringing more children into this world when we can't be guaranteed people will take proper care of and protect the ones who are already here?

Indeed! Well said!

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Just a thought, but maybe because NRA members aren’t the ones shooting anyone??������

But they support lack of gun restrictions, and continue to support people owning whatever kinds of weapons they want, support a deeply misguided view of the Second Amendment and what it entails, and put out paranoia-fueled propaganda ads scaring people into buying up guns, knowing full well the deadly consequences that have come from that kind of "YAY GUNS!" mindset.

So yes. They do bear some responsibility, because they've helped foster the fucked up environment we're in now in relation to gun control and gun violence. And because they're such a powerful political lobby, they're a large part of the reason many politicians won't, or can't, do anything on this issue.

Also, note that I mentioned "other political events" in my post as well. I'm not just referring to the NRA here. The pro-life groups could also go to politicians and demand they quit bowing down to gun lobbies, too, and do something about this issue. Or protest at the trials of the shooters themselves. Or so on.

 

[dabiggestu2fan]

Just a thought, but maybe because NRA members aren’t the ones shooting anyone???

The NRA is the worst association ever! Maybe their members did not shoot up at the schools. But they use these events to further their agenda all the time. Ei, they say that the solution to this problem is to arm all teachers with a gun and that more guns is always the solution. Do you think they suggest that because they truly care about the safety of children?? Think again! More guns = more money into their filthy pockets! Do you think that arming a teach or everyone at a school will eliminate this problem?? Infact I am sure it will cause many more new problems like for example when authorities come in to get the shooter and they see all these people with guns, how will they know who is the shooter and who is the “good guy with a gun”?? What if a disturbed student tackles a teacher armed with a gun and takes his or her gun and uses it to shoot other students??? Where do teachers leave the guns at the end of the day? Some sort of storage in school? What if someone breaks in to that storage then they have a bunch of guns they can go on a rampage. The list goes on and on and the NRA says this is the solution. Yes it’s the solution to line themselves with more money at the cost of innocent children’s lives.

I can’t take anyone seriously that defends the NRA! I live in Canada and Canada has very strict gun laws and so do many other nations and all these nations don’t have a mass shooting every few weeks! Gun laws work, the NRA’s so called solutions don’t work at all!

 

[Irvine511]

Just a thought, but maybe because NRA members aren’t the ones shooting anyone??[emoji848]

We need them around to mock the victims and then make the senseless death of innocents about them and things that might possibly inconvenience them.
















(Got crushed on his one, didn’t you. Ouch!)

 

[BoMac]

This is so fucking pathetic. Just accept a no and move the fuck on.

For me, I think this gets to the core of what is going on here. Obviously this is a complicated problem, with a number of different factors at play. And since this is a uniquely American issue, you'd have to be a complete moron to not see that access to guns and the 2nd Amendment is a major reason why this literally happens nowhere else.

Lack of adequate support for people suffering front mental health issues also exacerbates the issue. Again, even here this circles back to guns, because every country on Earth has people with mental health problems, but they don't have easy access to firearms.

But insofar as the recent violence involving so-called "incels" are concerned, I actually think this is more than just about sex and is a symptom of modern parenting. A lot of kids are ill-equipped to simply accept rejection and move on. And that goes for anything, not just with relationships. Because a lot of parents coddle their kids, and institutions insist on handing out "participation medals", kids grow up with a sense of entitlement.

I've been rejected by my fair share of women. And it's going to happen again. I've been turned down by potential employers. I've been let go from work for subpar performance. I've failed time and again. But I don't view it as the end of the world. I use it as a learning experience and motivation to improve myself. It builds character.

But the sense of entitlement that these young, angry men precludes them from seeing it as anything but the end of the world and some lash out.

I hope that makes sense. I think to solve this problem with involve work on multiple fronts. It's a complex issue.

 

[PhilsFan]

this "they wouldn't be violent if they just got laid" is nonsense.

as if getting your dick wet is this magical switch that flips violent hate-filled shitlords into awesome happy people. the onus should not be on women to have sex with violent angry young men as the solution to this problem.

besides, the violent ones (incels) don't want anything to do with sexually available women anyways - they all think women are "ruined" (to put it mildly) the instant they express their sexuality in any way outside of the context of the traditional "we waited until our wedding night". they don't want to just fuck, they want a specific and unrealistic vision of what they think idealized love should be (she has to look like a supermodel but so innocent and pure that she has never even so much as looked at another man until i came along but also she has to just intuitively know how to fuck like a porn star, and be fully subservient like a stepford wife at all times), and the reason they never get it is because their standards and expectations are so high they're doomed to fail from the start. they get rejected because when every woman on earth inevitably fails to meet their impossible standards they blame everything and everyone else except themselves and get angry at the world because they see the game as so absurdly rigged against them that they don't stand a chance, so there's no point in even trying to do anything but rage quit and smash the board.

they don't want escorts because they're the ultimate used-up sluts. incels wouldn't even knowingly be in the same room as a prostitute and if you tried to force it the only outcome of that would be a whole lot of dead sex workers.

this is not a problem you solve by getting incels laid. *they* need to change who they are as people, fundamentally. that's the only solution.

Right. If they had girlfriends, they'd be abusers.

There are two core problems: ease of access to guns, and the entitlement of straight, white boys/men.

 

[corianderstem]

So which is it, certain right wingers? Am I supposed to save myself for the sanctity of marriage, or am I supposed to have pity sex with men so they don't go on shooting rampages?

 

[Irvine511]

So which is it, certain right wingers? Am I supposed to save myself for the sanctity of marriage, or am I supposed to have pity sex with men so they don't go on shooting rampages?

Whatever you do, don’t get pregnant and have an abortion.

Send that child to public school so it can be pumped full of lead in the name of freedom.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

So which is it, certain right wingers? Am I supposed to save myself for the sanctity of marriage, or am I supposed to have pity sex with men so they don't go on shooting rampages?

Seriously. We can't seem to win either way, apparently.

 

[dazzledbylight]

They haven't adopted it, though, because they're not DOING anything about it. They're taking AWAY access to healthcare. SAYING something and doing something are two different things.

Gun laws don't require you to lock up your guns.

His dad had legal guns.

He got the guns.

His mental health care may have prevented this. But the access to the guns enabled it.

This.

I've just started (and will not be a regular) on my f2f account supporting someone who is arguing for gun control AND more, faster mental health services.

Been told by some maybe uber gun owner that I don't know anything about it and what it means.

Been listening for decades about these issues! And was toned down in my reply. Do not need harassment from Uber NRA people!

 

[IWasBored]

So which is it, certain right wingers? Am I supposed to save myself for the sanctity of marriage, or am I supposed to have pity sex with men so they don't go on shooting rampages?

Not only that, but the same party that has been known to push abstinence-only sex ed now wants high school girls to fuck high school boys to keep them from shooting everyone?

 

[dazzledbylight]

Thank you Dave C & bono_212 for posts #252 & #253.

Though I only heard the term "incell" recently, I know what was being discussed.

NRA members need to realize that their little hunting club has turned into nothing more than a shill for gun manufacturers and will use all of their power not to protect 2nd amendment rights, but rather to make sure that no reasonable law that might hurt the bottom line of said manufacturers is ever enacted.

THIS.

I think it was sometime in the later '70's when the NRA made the switch over (listening to history of 1978 thereabouts).