Ongoing Mass Shooting Thread #3... that's right, a third thread. Because 'Murica. - Page 8

Nick66 · 03-29-2018, 10:56 AM

Criticising these kids political positions and dept of knowledge is fair. Going after them personally, mocking their grades, accusing them of being crisis actors, etc. is past the red line.

They want to change laws that will impacts millions of people, so what they say is not immune to scrutiny. And I frankly think some of their rhetoric is over the top and incendiary itself. But adults should just let that go...these kids should not subject to personal attacks.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-29-2018, 11:23 AM

Mocking a 4.1 GPA is rich. Sounds like he was likely a top 10% student in his class.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-29-2018, 11:24 AM

Not that your performance in high school means anything at all.

Nick66 · 03-29-2018, 11:42 AM

A fact that I'm eternally grateful for.

DaveC · 03-29-2018, 12:20 PM

yea i can't imagine that contradicting the teacher on every single lesson would have lead to good grades.

Nick66 · 03-29-2018, 12:25 PM

Well I'd only contradict them if they were wrong!

A contrarian is someone who always opposes "popular" opinion simply for the sake of opposing popular opinion. If someone says "Trump should be impeached like Nixon", and you say "Nixon wasn't impeached", you're not being a contrarian. That's called being fact based.

Anyway, I had other things on my mind in "high school". Kicked into gear at uni though.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-29-2018, 12:46 PM

Heck, I had other things on my mind in undergrad.

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 03-29-2018, 12:46 PM

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yea i can't imagine that contradicting the teacher on every single lesson would have lead to good grades.

MrsSpringsteen · 03-29-2018, 01:00 PM

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yea i can't imagine that contradicting the teacher on every single lesson would have lead to good grades.

MrsSpringsteen · 03-29-2018, 01:06 PM

I think these kids are full of righteous anger, not rhetoric. If I had kids I'd be damn proud if my kids were like that.

They can spew their rhetoric all hours of the day and night. They are growing up in a world in which they have to live in fear of being shot at school. Every day, and on Sunday nights. I didn't grow up in that world, so who am I to tell them what they can and cannot say? As an adult old enough to be their parent, I have failed every one of those kids. I have, I feel I have and I know I have. We've messed things up for them, big time.

Moonlit_Angel · 03-29-2018, 01:17 PM

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I think these kids are full of righteous anger, not rhetoric. If I had kids I'd be damn proud if my kids were like that.

They can spew their rhetoric all hours of the day and night. They are growing up in a world in which they have to live in fear of being shot at school. Every day, and on Sunday nights. I didn't grow up in that world, so who am I to tell them what they can and cannot say?

Agreed.

Also, they're teenagers. So yeah, their speech may not always be super polished, yeah, it may sometimes come off over the top or dramatic or awkward or whatever other criticisms one might have of that sort. That's how teenagers often are. I'm sure people probably said similar things about all the teenagers who protested the Vietnam War back in the day, too. Doesn't mean their message is any less valid or worth listening to, though.

Bottom line, their passion and hearts are clearly in the right place, and they're out there actually trying to DO something, which is certainly more than I can say for some of the adults in this country. Any adult who thinks it's okay to mock and make fun of teenagers who are getting politically involved needs to seriously reexamine their life and their attitudes.

Nick66 · 03-29-2018, 01:24 PM

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Any adult who thinks it's okay to mock and make fun of teenagers who are getting politically involved needs to seriously reexamine their life and their attitudes.

I still don't get what there is to mock about a 4.1 GPA. Am I missing something?

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 03-29-2018, 01:35 PM

These kids and their "rhetoric" have done more in 6 weeks than most politicians do in a career.

DaveC · 03-29-2018, 02:04 PM

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most underrated emoji of all time.

Irvine511 · 03-29-2018, 02:10 PM

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I still don't get what there is to mock about a 4.1 GPA. Am I missing something?

it sounds like an inflated, snowflake GPA meant to keep his precious self-esteem intact and likely filled with nonsense Marxist classes about the construction of race and gender. and Common Core math.

Nick66 · 03-29-2018, 03:22 PM

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it sounds like an inflated, snowflake GPA meant to keep his precious self-esteem intact and likely filled with nonsense Marxist classes about the construction of race and gender

That's absurd...everyone knows those classes don't start until you get to Uni!

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and Common Core math.

I wish they'd had that Common Core math in the UK. Calculus is the reason I was a history major.

Irvine511 · 03-29-2018, 03:27 PM

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That's absurd...everyone knows those classes don't start until you get to Uni

Well, Parkland is a really good school.

MrsSpringsteen · 03-29-2018, 03:34 PM

Laura apologized to him on Twitter, in the spirit of Holy Week. Barf. She apologized because advertisers were dropping out of her show.

David Hogg tweeted a list of her advertisers. You go David.

I would ask Laura, is it in the spirit of Holy Week to go after a teenager who has been hiding in a classroom while his classmates get shot? All in the name of your precious guns. Is it in that spirit for other like minded people to compare him to Hitler and call those kids Hitler youth? WWJD? What a hypocrite she is.

Gzusfrk · 03-29-2018, 04:08 PM

So just because David Hogg is a child, and goes to a school where there was a horrible shooting, doesn't mean people aren't able to critique his views. It's embarrassing, but that's what the left was counting on, pushing children to the forefront to do their dirty work for them, then saying, " you can't criticize him! He's a victim, a child!"

And the irony is, this kid is the best gun salesman and NRA fundraiser since Barack Obama! And that's saying something!

Moonlit_Angel · 03-29-2018, 04:14 PM

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So just because David Hogg is a child, and goes to a school where there was a horrible shooting, doesn't mean people aren't able to critique his views.

If you'd like to explain to me how an adult, who's supposed to know better, making fun of a teenager's GPA is a valid criticism of their views on gun control, I'd really love to hear it.

Criticism of their stance is perfectly fine. Criticism of how they're constructing their arguments, or their policy suggestions, is also valid. I don't doubt these kids would happily welcome a discussion like that.

Personal attacks and mocking them, having people call them "crisis actors" and telling them they don't have the "experience" necessary to speak up and making fun of their GPAs and such? Not so much. If that's the best way an adult knows how to communicate with a teenager, then that's just sad.

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It's embarrassing, but that's what the left was counting on, pushing children to the forefront to do their dirty work for them, then saying, " you can't criticize him! He's a victim, a child!"

And the irony is, this kid is the best gun salesman and NRA fundraiser since Barack Obama! And that's saying something!

...wow.

03-29-2018, 10:56 AM	#141
Nick66 Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat... Posts: 6,663 Local Time: 11:06 AM	Criticising these kids political positions and dept of knowledge is fair. Going after them personally, mocking their grades, accusing them of being crisis actors, etc. is past the red line. They want to change laws that will impacts millions of people, so what they say is not immune to scrutiny. And I frankly think some of their rhetoric is over the top and incendiary itself. But adults should just let that go...these kids should not subject to personal attacks. __________________

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,505 Local Time: 05:06 AM	Mocking a 4.1 GPA is rich. Sounds like he was likely a top 10% student in his class. __________________

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03-29-2018, 11:24 AM	#143
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,505 Local Time: 05:06 AM	Not that your performance in high school means anything at all.

03-29-2018, 11:42 AM	#144
Nick66 Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat... Posts: 6,663 Local Time: 11:06 AM	A fact that I'm eternally grateful for.

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DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,841 Local Time: 06:06 AM	yea i can't imagine that contradicting the teacher on every single lesson would have lead to good grades.

03-29-2018, 12:25 PM	#146
Nick66 Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat... Posts: 6,663 Local Time: 11:06 AM	Well I'd only contradict them if they were wrong! A contrarian is someone who always opposes "popular" opinion simply for the sake of opposing popular opinion. If someone says "Trump should be impeached like Nixon", and you say "Nixon wasn't impeached", you're not being a contrarian. That's called being fact based. Anyway, I had other things on my mind in "high school". Kicked into gear at uni though.

03-29-2018, 12:46 PM	#147
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,505 Local Time: 05:06 AM	Heck, I had other things on my mind in undergrad.

03-29-2018, 01:06 PM	#150
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,620 Local Time: 06:06 AM	I think these kids are full of righteous anger, not rhetoric. If I had kids I'd be damn proud if my kids were like that. They can spew their rhetoric all hours of the day and night. They are growing up in a world in which they have to live in fear of being shot at school. Every day, and on Sunday nights. I didn't grow up in that world, so who am I to tell them what they can and cannot say? As an adult old enough to be their parent, I have failed every one of those kids. I have, I feel I have and I know I have. We've messed things up for them, big time.

03-29-2018, 01:35 PM	#153
Headache in a Suitcase Forum Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 73,394 Local Time: 06:06 AM	These kids and their "rhetoric" have done more in 6 weeks than most politicians do in a career.

03-29-2018, 03:34 PM	#158
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,620 Local Time: 06:06 AM	Laura apologized to him on Twitter, in the spirit of Holy Week. Barf. She apologized because advertisers were dropping out of her show. David Hogg tweeted a list of her advertisers. You go David. I would ask Laura, is it in the spirit of Holy Week to go after a teenager who has been hiding in a classroom while his classmates get shot? All in the name of your precious guns. Is it in that spirit for other like minded people to compare him to Hitler and call those kids Hitler youth? WWJD? What a hypocrite she is.

03-29-2018, 04:08 PM	#159
Gzusfrk Acrobat Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 447 Local Time: 10:06 AM	So just because David Hogg is a child, and goes to a school where there was a horrible shooting, doesn't mean people aren't able to critique his views. It's embarrassing, but that's what the left was counting on, pushing children to the forefront to do their dirty work for them, then saying, " you can't criticize him! He's a victim, a child!" And the irony is, this kid is the best gun salesman and NRA fundraiser since Barack Obama! And that's saying something!