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Old 06-24-2022, 10:44 PM   #1081
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I'm just curious, then, how long, exactly, do we have to keep waiting, then, for these reasonable laws that can pass a legislative body and can hold up in court to become a thing?

'Cause we've literally got them now. The Democrats have offered a lot of valid ideas to at least start trying to tackle this problem.

And guess what? One party still refuses to come on board with any of it. And it ain't the Democrats. Yet another attempt to try and pass bipartisan gun control laws falls apart because one party just can't seem to move even the slightest inch on supporting any sort of reform. We've been trying this method for the better part of a decade (even longer than that, really), with no major positive results. All that's happened is we continue to do nothing, and more mass shootings continue.
House sends gun violence bill to Biden as Buffalo and Uvalde shootings prompt end to decades of gridlock
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The House sent President Joe Biden the most wide-ranging gun violence bill Congress has passed in decades on Friday, a measured compromise that at once illustrates progress on the long-intractable issue and the deep-seated partisan divide that persists.

The Democratic-led chamber approved the election-year legislation on a mostly party-line 234-193 vote, capping a spurt of action prompted by voters’ revulsion over last month’s mass shootings in New York and Texas. The night before, the Senate approved it by a bipartisan 65-33 margin, with 15 Republicans joining all Democrats in supporting a package that senators from both parties had crafted.

The bill would incrementally toughen requirements for young people to buy guns, deny firearms from more domestic abusers and help local authorities temporarily take weapons from people judged to be dangerous. Most of its $13 billion cost would go to bolster mental health programs and for schools, which have been targeted in Newtown, Connecticut, Parkland, Florida and many other infamous massacres.

And while it omits the far tougher restrictions Democrats have long championed, it stands as the most impactful gun violence measure that Congress has approved since it enacted a now-expired assault weapons ban nearly 30 years ago.
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And now, guns are people and women are service animals.
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Old 06-25-2022, 11:40 AM   #1083
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Three people were shot at a WeatherTech warehouse in the Chicago suburb of Bolingbrook just before 6:30 a.m. Saturday morning, ABC Chicago station, WLS reported.

Police say the suspect fled and is still at large. There is no word on the victims' conditions or a motive for the shooting.

There was also a shooting at a Pride event in Oslo Norway, two people dead. I always imagine Norway to be a peaceful place. Can happen anywhere obviously, but the odds are far greater any day in the US.
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Old 06-25-2022, 03:05 PM   #1084
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And now, guns are people and women are service animals.
This. I was just going to say, that's nice that bill's being passed, truly, it is. I'm honestly amazed we got anything at all. But is it going to hold, or is the Supreme Court going to invalidate that legislation, too?

Just...pardon me if I'm not exactly trusting of the GOP's motives right now.
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I don’t think the bill is enough but I don’t think there’s a reason to not trust their motives. They’re all about optics, so I don’t think they’d vote for something they didn’t want.
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They’re all about optics
Everyone is.
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Old 06-26-2022, 12:31 AM   #1087
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This is where I disagree to an extent. I imagine most elected republicans hold a firmer belief in hands-off fundamentals, be it virtuous or selfishness. I would bet you theyre far more likely (as a population) to be the ideological “representative” who behind closed doors doesn’t give a rat’s ass about abortion or gay marriage since it doesn’t harm them (though I would say plenty probably feel personally not okay with things like progressive gender pronouns because it DOES impact them). Democrats are probably more likely to hold these social views that they platform.

Anything economic or governmentally functional, on either side, is likely to be all optics with no significant deviation by stratifying that population.
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Old 07-04-2022, 12:39 PM   #1088
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Mass shooting at a 4th of July parade in Highland Park Illinois. Shooter still at large. Reports of five people killed, 16 hospitalized.

Can't get more American than that
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I'm sure we can count on Ted Cruz to investigate whether the back door to the parade was unlocked.
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Old 07-04-2022, 02:45 PM   #1090
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I'm sure we can count on Ted Cruz to investigate whether the back door to the parade was unlocked.

If only they had armed everyone who was marching in the parade, when will we ever learn? Killer was reportedly on a rooftop, so Ted can investigate that.

Highland Park is well to do from what I have read, so there goes the African Americans shooting each other in Chicago whataboutism angle(they will do it anyway). And the parade killer was reportedly white.
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https://twitter.com/ywnreporter/stat...0kN3HD-25Pp-aA

Fucking terrifying. Disgraceful. And it’s never going to stop with one party opening calling and supporting it
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We need better ladder control.

Insane that the shooter hasn’t been caught yet.
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Looks like the type of guy you should sell an assault rifle to.

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Mass shooting at a 4th of July parade in Highland Park Illinois. Shooter still at large. Reports of five people killed, 16 hospitalized.

Can't get more American than that
But remember, bans and restrictions are just too out there an idea. Not for women, of course, oh, no, they'll gladly slap all the bans and restrictions on them all they want.

But to do that in regards to people having access to weapons that allow them to take out multiple people in a public setting at once? Nah, that's just crazy talk. Sure, other countries have gun control and make it work, but that's just too haaaaaaaaaard for us to do here, because, um...reasons.
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He's an Illinois state rep. Let's move on, nothing to see here. Celebrating "independence" and freedom after a mass shooting at a 4th of July parade doesn't make any sense to me, but that's just me.

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Following the mass shooting at a July 4 parade in Highland Park, Illinois, a Trump-backed gubernatorial candidate bluntly urged the community to “move on.” Standing next to supporters at a different parade, after taking a moment in prayer, state Sen. Darren Bailey, said: “Let’s move on and celebrate the independence of this nation.” He added, “We have got to get corruption and evil out of our government.” After being roasted on social media, Bailey told The Daily Beast through a spokesperson: “I apologize if in any way we diminished the pain being felt across our state today. I hope we can all come together in prayer and action to address rampant crime and mental heath issues to make sure these horrific tragedies don’t happen again.”
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After being roasted on social media, Bailey told The Daily Beast through a spokesperson: “I apologize if in any way we diminished the pain being felt across our state today. I hope we can all come together in prayer and action to address rampant crime and mental heath issues to make sure these horrific tragedies don’t happen again.”
Prayer should certainly help stop these attacks.
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Prayer and thoughts, thoughts and prayers.

I just saw a headline about a 76 year old grandfather who was killed yesterday, he was at the parade with his family. I can't read the article, just can't do it.

Kids were shot, I don't know if any kids were killed. Even the ones who weren't physically hurt, just imagine the trauma for them and for everyone there yesterday.

The people who say move on and what about Chicago can go to hell.
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My aunt, who loves herself some Trump, has a theory on how to solve the problem:

MORE JESUS!

Not the brown Jesus who would have totally been against guns (but wasn't against abortion), but White American Jesus.
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