Ongoing Mass Shooting Thread #3... that's right, a third thread. Because 'Murica.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by bono_212

This whole conversation reminds me of when people say that there's a better chance of having a vending machine fall on you than get killed by a shark.

Sure, maybe that's true. But I have a say in whether or not I ever go into the water to be eaten by a shark in the first place. Vending machines are everywhere. I can not avoid them.

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Well you can also choose not to buy a Snickers from a machine and have that corkscrew thing not turn enough to drop said Snickers so you have to bang on the machine until either you get your Snickers or the machine falls on you and you get squashed, but spend your last moments eating a plethora of candy & chips that fell about you when the front glass plate shattered.

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by Jerry Dunk

I think we have several LEO on the record saying this is true. That their explicit intention is to scare people out of the country.

Also, wasn't the ICE raid ordered by someone associated with the Koch's who was mad that the workers banded together to file a sexual harassment lawsuit? My understanding was that it was retaliatory and killed two birds with one stone by targeting immigrants and labor.

I saw it more as a 'destroying my own business to own the libs' sort of thing.

[MissCandyGirl]

I agree LuckyNumber7: a gun is a gun, whether handheld, a pistol or a machine gun, even. It can still kill people, regardless of its type. Now, I don't know a lot about guns, but I know that.

Just to add my penny's worth.

P.S

I know I'm not an expert.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Jerry Dunk

I think we have several LEO on the record saying this is true. That their explicit intention is to scare people out of the country.



Also, wasn't the ICE raid ordered by someone associated with the Koch's who was mad that the workers banded together to file a sexual harassment lawsuit? My understanding was that it was retaliatory and killed two birds with one stone by targeting immigrants and labor.

This is the ongoing social media conspiracy theory I’ve seen.

I’m generally fairly sympathetic to LEOs because I work with them a lot, and the vast majority are doing the best they can with what they have.

ICE, however, is a self-selected group based on a mutual interest in inflicting cruelty. Their mission must be redirected with the next administration.

[dabiggestu2fan]

Originally Posted by anitram

The main reason we have not moved to the US (despite numerous job offers) is because I don’t want my kids going to schools where they could be shot. That in combination with the healthcare situation, which would at least be mitigated somewhat for us by getting the gold standard, and honestly it’s an easy decision. Call me crazy but it’s how I feel.

I hear you! I am quite happy living in Canada where thankfully we don’t have most of these worries. I find it sad that the USA has so many problems that seems to be easily solved by other first world nations. I feel bad for the good American people who will probably die if they can’t afford health care or those families of shooting victims. Yes Canada is NOT perfect by any means but it sure does feel a lot safer.

[BEAL]

6 cops shot in Philly

Still on going

[MissCandyGirl]

It never ends. It is atrocious and devastating.

There's not much to add to that.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Ok, you know I deplore guns as much as anybody, however, the vast majority of gun deaths in the US are suicides or incidents where the victim and perp know each other.

Mass shootings are a form of terrorism, and I don’t object at all to these travel warnings as they make a point, but to let fear of a mass shooting to deter you from doing anything is completely silly. I’d say the same think about drinking from the minibar in the DR. You are much more likely to be killed in a car crash in Canada than by a gun while visiting the US.

Yeah.

I was just in Tines Square tonight to see a movie. Only as we were leaving after the dinner after the movie did a barely think about it.

And i w as like... "eh" , dropped the thought. I'm fair!y often in/have been in what are now considered "targety" area after last weekend. Truthfully the odds are still very, very unlikely.

Originally Posted by anitram

The main reason we have not moved to the US (despite numerous job offers) is because I don’t want my kids going to schools where they could be shot. That in combination with the healthcare situation, which would at least be mitigated somewhat for us by getting the gold standard, and honestly it’s an easy decision. Call me crazy but it’s how I feel.

Your kids are probably not going to be shot. In the bigger picture look at how big the USA and really how many (still are horrifying) incidents happened. As though a Canadian you are, all this (and yes all the other countries with stricter gun laws) is extra craaazeee! Id love stricter gun laws! The NRA got highjacked in the 70's into this more guns-on-steroids mode.

Healthcare reasons , i do understand!

Originally Posted by bono_212

This whole conversation reminds me of when people say that there's a better chance of having a vending machine fall on you than get killed by a shark.

Sure, maybe that's true. But I have a say in whether or not I ever go into the water to be eaten by a shark in the first place. Vending machines are everywhere. I can not avoid them.

It's absolutely out of anyone's control to whether or not they will be the victim of a mass shooting, and right now there is certainly a risk of being caught up on domestic terrorism in this country, so I absolutely don't see any reason why it's not OK for another country's government to point out the obvious increase in terrorism in the US.

This whole thing reminds me of when I was a kid in the 90s/early 00s and the idea of going to Ireland or the UK used to terrify me because I always was afraid I'd be the victim of a bombing if I went. Rational? Maybe not, but we were definitely aware over here that there was dangerous shit going on over there, largely domestic terrorism....so I get it.

Well, not that irrational because compare the size of The UK, or Ireland to the USA.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by anitram

I would add that I was a child refugee from a war torn country and that never, ever leaves you. I have no intention of my kids doing active shooter drills or buying a kevlar backpack. How daft does a person have to be to suggest kevlar backpacks as opposed to the most logical solutions, I'll never know.

Oh, well, now this certainly makes a deep sense. I'm do sorry you had to endure that.
Definitely understandable about children and those school drills. And kevlar backoacks? Shit, change the damn lax gun laws. No one needs guns-of-war.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by womanfish

So since the shootings,
A man arrested outside an Immigrant detention center in ElPaso, Wearing rubber gloves, with knife, gun and white powder.

Another arrested last night at a Walmart in Missouri. Entered the store with assault rifle, body armor and 100 rounds.

What has this disgusting piece of shit unleashed on us.

Well, he unleashed horrors practically from day #1 of his term.

He started kicking over the rocks of racists, white nationalists, supremacists etc from his rallies onward. Oh wait, no, after he started up with the birther shit.

They did warn abiut cooycst actions after last week's shootings.

Several days a week some my earliest thoughts of the day are "has he been kicked out of being The President yet ?!? ".


BTW headache why did you say you thought he'd resign by the end-of-the-year? Self-motivated, or pushed out by other Repuglicans.

[dazzledbylight]

Uh, that w as supposed to be 'copycat' actions.

I see the Portland police were about to keep the antifa people away from the far right-wing protesters in Portland today.o On one level I'd wouldn't have minded that some of the worst of the far right-er's got beaten up, except you're not supposed to, and if a far right winger wasn't initiating an attack right then and there I wouldn't attack them even if i might want to. I'm not a complete pacifist, I'd always want to defend myself.

Here's a totally different thing that happened some years back that further sheds light on my mixed feelings. In ?India, I think, there was factory that was badly polluting the area. The people of the area kept reporting physical symptoms for a long time. They were ignored over and over. Things were getting increasingly worse. Finally the townspeople attacked the place at night when the least workers were around. They did their best to cause the least have harm, or even death posdible. I can't fault the townspeople after being ignored, reflected for years.

[LuckyNumber7]

The last thing we need is violence from an organized group against Hitler’s children while Hitler is still in power. This is literally giving him a reason to suppress and criminalize his societal opposition. That’s like a textbook example from a third Reich playbook. “Antifa” is their rallying cry to claim the left is also politically violent, when factually the numbers do not support that.

[Vlad n U 2]

The brainworms in claiming Antifa as a 'terrorist organisation' when fascists commit a legitimate terrorist act at least once a month on average, but yeah milkshakes are deadly or whatever.

[LuckyNumber7]

In this country you’d be shot for brandishing a milkshake in the vicinity of a high profile politician. Really dangerous.

[Catman]

https://www.newsweek.com/nra-says-ne...thdays-1454841

Finally someone is thinking of the children

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

In this country you’d be shot for brandishing a milkshake in the vicinity of a high profile politician. Really dangerous.

That’s why we should aim for softer targets. Like Richard Spencer or even Stephen Miller.

[LuckyNumber7]

Punching Richard Spencer in the face was the worst idea ever. We shouldn’t know his name.

[Jerry Dunk]

Deplatforming is the most effective tool out there. You can't expect ignoring people to make them go away. You have to remove the tools of access. Alex Jones getting banned from most social media is a great example; he's largely out of the public eye now.

[DaveC]

yep, same with that milo shithead. it works.

[LuckyNumber7]

Punching someone in the face victimizes them in the eyes of ignorant and somewhat hateful people who think there are “bad people on both sides.”