Ongoing Mass Shooting Thread #3... that's right, a third thread. Because 'Murica.

[trojanchick99]

Welp, Gab just lost their servers. Where will Oregoropia and his ilk spew their hatred now?

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Back to interference?

[Zephyrpilot]

Earlier I mentioned security guards, but that is a band aid. But yes, Gun Control now . . . Control is very important

[LuckyNumber7]

A security guard armed with a sidearm is no match for a man with an AR-15 who intends to slaughter people. Even a police officer with an AR-15 is no match. You effectively require two or more armed guards in this situation to guarantee an attack can be repelled, and that’s while willing to sacrifice the life of one of the guards. A single guard is a single point of failure, where an assailant with a premeditated plan can easily kill said armed guard.

Not to mention, massacres are incredibly rare. Should every house of every type of worship need one to two armed guards for their one to two services a week because of the one bad apple? Let’s just say $25 an hour for five hours 50 weeks for two guards twice a week. Now let’s handwave and say 40,000 houses of worship and all of the sudden armed protection from a one in 14.6 million odds of a gunman showing up to your house of worship to slaughter (based upon a once a year occurrence) becomes a billion dollar industry.

Billions and billions and billions and billions

Or we could just say, we are going to restrict what you can get your hands on.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Every business, school, place of worship and community center should train their staff on what to do in the event of an evacuation, and what to do in the event you can't evacuate. Facilities of all sorts should do whatever they reasonably can to "harden". Training on what to do in the case of an event, how to respond to trauma situations, etc. should become the norm (and already are).

Just because they shouldn't HAVE to do this shit doesn't change the reality that they do, and that nothing is changing any time soon.

Beyond that? It's not financially feasible for every facility to have trained armed guards who are capable of taking down an intruder with a semiautomatic weapon.

And oh by the way? Casinos are swarming with armed guards. Didn't stop the massacre at Mandalay Bay.

We need stronger gun control. We need to end this madness. We need the younger generations, who are most directly affected by this, to stop the apathy and go out there and VOTE.

They can end this. It can all go away. But they need to show up, and they need to do it now before it's too late.

[anitram]

I literally saw somebody who is maybe 22-23 on FB commenting on a post of a friend of mine (turns out it’s her cousin) saying she doesn’t vote because “I could learn about it but I don’t really care, I don’t like being told/ordered to vote by anybody and it doesn’t change anything anyway.” So there you have it.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by anitram

I literally saw somebody who is maybe 22-23 on FB commenting on a post of a friend of mine (turns out it’s her cousin) saying she doesn’t vote because “I could learn about it but I don’t really care, I don’t like being told/ordered to vote by anybody and it doesn’t change anything anyway.” So there you have it.

I think Florida, of all crazy places, will be very telling.

If Parkland can't drive out the young vote en masse and give the Democrats a victory, then we're truly fucked.

[Irvine511]

Young people have never voted. Older people always have.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

I think Florida, of all crazy places, will be very telling.

If Parkland can't drive out the young vote en masse and give the Democrats a victory, then we're truly fucked.

Good thing is, polling has looked very very good in Florida.

But, we know not to trust polling.

[MrsSpringsteen]

That bastard murdered a 97 year old Holocaust survivor. Most of the people killed were elderly. There were two brothers in their 50's who had disabilities.

I just don't even know what to say anymore about the gun lunacy. Words fail.

[Moonlit_Angel]

I also read that this happened at a time while there was a ceremony going on for a baby. Thankfully none of the children who were there were hurt, but the terror they witnessed, I can't imagine.

And continuing on with news of shootings, just saw a headline that a student was shot and killed at a high school after an argument with another classmate. Nobody else was hurt or targeted, it seems. But yeah.

(As an aside, when there's a story of a teenager shooting somebody at schools, I hear people talk about how it's a sign of what's wrong with this generation. I wonder how those people explain all the mass shootings that have been committed by middle-aged men?)

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Young people have never voted. Older people always have.

There's a woman running for secretary of state here in Iowa who, if she wins, has some great ideas on how to encourage voter registration, especially among young people. I'm hoping she gets elected.

[Gzusfrk]

They had to retract that story, he did not kill a 97 year old Holocaust survivor. Still a crazy disgusting scumbag, but the reporting really needs to be checked before released

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by Gzusfrk

They had to retract that story, he did not kill a 97 year old Holocaust survivor. Still a crazy disgusting scumbag, but the reporting really needs to be checked before released

Why, because she wasn't a Holocaust survivor? She was 97. What kind of pure evil can murder a 97 year old woman? Or any of those people?

The same sort of hatred and bigotry caused the Holocaust. So inaccurate reporting really doesn't seem to be relevant to that. Hatred and bigotry lives. Yes some people are mentally ill. But some just hate anyone who isn't their kind.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Gzusfrk

They had to retract that story, he did not kill a 97 year old Holocaust survivor. Still a crazy disgusting scumbag, but the reporting really needs to be checked before released

Thanks for stopping by

[anitram]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Why, because she wasn't a Holocaust survivor? She was 97. What kind of pure evil can murder a 97 year old woman? Or any of those people?
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But it’s super important to point out that the media is the bad guy in some way, no matter how minimal.

[bono_212]

I'm not trying to make any kind of negative comment about the media on this, but it is true she wasn't a holocaust survivor, but it's already out there as a highly shared Facebook/Social Media post that she was. That's the kind of "fake" news that doesn't do any good, and 5 minutes of fact checking with a relative could've avoided. It was People Magazine, though, so what do you expect?

Meanwhile, there *was* a holocaust survivor who had a scary moment, but was thankfully running late that morning:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/1808116002/

[MrsSpringsteen]

Anthony Borges. Last Parkland survivor to leave the hospital. Shot five times while using his body as a human shield to barricade a door.

He was 15 at the time. Left with those physical scars, the mental and emotional scars, and a colostomy bag.

[bono_212]

Wow. I don't know what more to say than that, just unbelievable.

[MrsSpringsteen]

School-Shooting Survivors Bear Their Scars, and Bear Witness

[Moonlit_Angel]

Goddamn, the stories from those victims are haunting. So many lives changed, and yet nothing continues to be done to stop it. The lead poisoning was an important point that I fully agree needs a lot more attention.

I like how they go back decades, too, to show that this sadly isn't some kind of new phenomenon, or something that people claim is only something that's wrong with "kids today". I'd love to make it so every last member of the GOP were forced to read this article, and had to look at those photos, every single day when they went to work.

Also, I'm just going to leave these snippets from the article here:

I’m a huge supporter of the Second Amendment, but the moment you say that everyone can have a gun and that everyone should be able to roam the streets with one, you are completely negating the idea that people are cruel. “Guns don’t kill people; people kill people” is very true. It’s about regulating those people.

I don’t currently own any guns. Before, I was in Army ROTC. After the shooting, I’ve been to the range, been hunting. People are kind of shocked to hear that I will shoot guns, but I understand the desire. I understand the culture here in America. Shooting has also solidified in me the need for change because of how incredibly powerful these weapons are.