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Old 01-19-2017, 01:13 PM   #681
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Defend what? Those things happened.

I really don't understand how some will refuse to see any wrong or will not be critical of a politician's actions because they are of the same party and ideology.

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Old 01-19-2017, 01:35 PM   #682
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Defend what? Those things happened.



I really don't understand how some will refuse to see any wrong or will not be critical of a politician's actions because they are of the same party and ideology.




You're right, and we discussed it back then.

You voted for a man who bragged of sexual harassment, mocked the disabled, and spoke of using religion to block entry or track; don't you dare speak to me about not criticizing someone due to party.


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Old 01-19-2017, 01:40 PM   #683
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Defend what? Those things happened.

I really don't understand how some will refuse to see any wrong or will not be critical of a politician's actions because they are of the same party and ideology.





are we equivocating between an FBI finding that the investigation into these allegations warranted no filing of federal criminal charges (because both liberal and conservative groups were subject to increased scrutiny *because* of Citizens United) and Trump threatening to "loosen" libel laws so he could sue the Washington Post, banning reporters from the White House, calling CNN "fake news," subjecting the press pool to mob hatred by calling journalists "disgusting, disgusting people," longing for the good old days when dissenters at his own rallies could be beaten enough to be put in the hospital, and argued for government persecution of newspapers that oppose him?

are we?
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Old 01-19-2017, 02:16 PM   #684
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are we equivocating between an FBI finding that the investigation into these allegations warranted no filing of federal criminal charges (because both liberal and conservative groups were subject to increased scrutiny *because* of Citizens United) and Trump threatening to "loosen" libel laws so he could sue the Washington Post, banning reporters from the White House, calling CNN "fake news," subjecting the press pool to mob hatred by calling journalists "disgusting, disgusting people," longing for the good old days when dissenters at his own rallies could be beaten enough to be put in the hospital, and argued for government persecution of newspapers that oppose him?

are we?


I do remember President Obama said IRS officials were merely confused about how to implement the IRS code and there were just “some boneheaded decisions.” They targeted over 400 conservative groups. He also stated that there was not even a “smidgen of corruption.”

I'll leave it at that.
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I do remember President Obama said IRS officials were merely confused about how to implement the IRS code and there were just “some boneheaded decisions.” They targeted over 400 conservative groups. He also stated that there was not even a “smidgen of corruption.”



I'll leave it at that.


Seems the FBI agrees with Obama and not you.

Are you going to call out Trump for his threats against CNN and the WaPo?
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Old 01-19-2017, 02:27 PM   #686
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I do remember President Obama said IRS officials were merely confused about how to implement the IRS code and there were just “some boneheaded decisions.” They targeted over 400 conservative groups. He also stated that there was not even a “smidgen of corruption.”



I'll leave it at that.

Along with other groups including liberal groups, and a bipartisan investigation found nothing wrong.

All the facts are important, we don't get to pick and choose. I'll leave it at that.


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With Trump, we get to choose what is real and fake.
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And ignore what we can't defend.
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I really don't understand how some will refuse to see any wrong or will not be critical of a politician's actions because they are of the same party and ideology.


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goodbye to our last, best hope.

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What a ride it's been. A shame that there are people who choose not to appreciate how far we've come since January 2009. I will miss this administration.
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What a ride it's been. A shame that there are people who choose not to appreciate how far we've come since January 2009. I will miss this administration.
I've seen people say Obama was the worst president ever and I just... The mind boggles. I want to make those people read every single U.S. history book in existence.

Anywho, thanks to President Obama for eight years of hard work, service, dedication, and passion. He will definitely be missed, in so many ways, as will his family.
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Anywho, thanks to President Obama for eight years of hard work, service, dedication, and passion. .
Now it is time for golf and menthols.

The Coachella Valley will be great in wintertime. At these moments, despite disagreements I will respect the man and the office in a great civic tradition that has been a model to the world for over 200 years.
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Today is the nightmare that Hillary Clinton never wanted to see. This is a difficult day for her. She has my respect for attending the Inauguration. She could have chosen to stay away like the others. I think she knows this is about our country, not a person. It’s a class act by her today.

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My hope for Hillary is that she's chomping on Xanax like they're tic tacs.
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My hope for Hillary is that she's chomping on Xanax like they're tic tacs.

That takes like shit. Ativan is better for the pallet.


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I've seen people say Obama was the worst president ever and I just... The mind boggles. I want to make those people read every single U.S. history book in existence.

Anywho, thanks to President Obama for eight years of hard work, service, dedication, and passion. He will definitely be missed, in so many ways, as will his family.
Read a book on Andrew Jackson, he "formed" the Democratic Party and invaded Florida (trail of tears) and his pic is now on Trumps Oval office <shelf> lol, what décor style he has, and the bust of MLK Jr STILL there, yes little kiddies, take a sip of mass suicide...
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