Obama General Discussion, vol. 5

[BEAL]

Kill them all. Show that our military isn't weak!!!! (Which I find a bit hypocritical when they can insinuate that our military is weak, but if a black man kneels during the anthem, how dare he disrespect the military)


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by anitram

Let's not forget that it was George W Bush (it's as if the Republicans like to pretend that he didn't exist) who invaded Iraq on a lie and destabilized the entire region.

We clearly don't understand what is going on over there. I don't get what the right wants Obama to do? They like to yell about legacy failures, but ok, concretely, what would you like him to do? Oppose the Russians? Then why did you vote for Trump?

THIS, I find it absolutely laughable when the right starts to talk "legacy" when they forget it was them who started this.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by BEAL

Kill them all. Show that our military isn't weak!!!! (Which I find a bit hypocritical when they can insinuate that our military is weak, but if a black man kneels during the anthem, how dare he disrespect the military)


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I think this is what some Trump supporters are wanting. They have these romanticized notions of the great wars and want Trump to flex our muscles and drop some real bombs.


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[BoMac]

I mean let's not forget that Obama set several ultimatums in Syria, including references to a red line that shouldn't be crossed, and failed to follow through. That is a failure of his foreign policy.

[BEAL]

Well why can't we use Nukes? It's not like the Midwest/RustBelt would be a counter strike!!


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[BEAL]

Originally Posted by BoMac

I mean let's not forget that Obama set several ultimatums in Syria, including references to a red line that shouldn't be crossed, and failed to follow through. That is a failure of his foreign policy.

Agree. He put his foot in his own mouth there. And he and Clinton didn't do very well in Libya either.

Both of which they have admitted as to making a mistake. Not sure I've heard that from Bush about those other two wars (and maybe he has said so)

Obama couldn't really do much about Iraq or Afghanistan as it wasn't his policy and he couldn't negotiate with Iraq on the pull out.

But Syria, yeah that seems to be a mess he's accountable for (not just him and USA).

It's unfortunate but shows just how difficult it is to manage that part of the world. No clue what to do about it


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by BoMac

I mean let's not forget that Obama set several ultimatums in Syria, including references to a red line that shouldn't be crossed, and failed to follow through. That is a failure of his foreign policy.

Absolutely, but do you believe that is what the history books(if we still have books then) will say about him?


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[BoMac]

The fact is we don't know what would have happened had he actually followed through with his ultimatum, or what that action would have looked like. Maybe it would have made the situation worse. Maybe the conflict would have spread. Or maybe a lot of what we've seen in recent days would never have occurred.

But when nothing happened, that emboldened Assad and his allies, like Russia, and as a result there has been human suffering on a scale not seen in a long time. So I don't know what the history books will say, but Obama's failure here is indisputable, even if he's not the one that created the mess in the first place.

[BVS]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...fake/95500958/

:facepalm: I'm glad he's handing it over to the Feds, now we'll finally get to the bottom of this.

I hope he starts on Trump's next.


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[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by BoMac

I mean let's not forget that Obama set several ultimatums in Syria, including references to a red line that shouldn't be crossed, and failed to follow through. That is a failure of his foreign policy.

Agree with you there.

The 'Russian Reset,' promoted by the President/Sec Clinton, devolved into a toxic relationship. Look at the invasion of Crimea, the presidential election meddling, the humanitarian disaster in Syria (another Russian proxy), etc, etc.

The lack of influence/leverage used with respect to Russia is connected to America's weak diplomatic relationship and the consequences we've seen taking place.

Romney and Obama's debate disagreement of whether Russia was a true geopolitical foe comes to mind again

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Agree with you there.



The 'Russian Reset,' promoted by the President/Sec Clinton, devolved into a toxic relationship. Look at the invasion of Crimea, the presidential election meddling, the humanitarian disaster in Syria (another Russian proxy), etc, etc.



The lack of influence/leverage used with respect to Russia is connected to America's weak diplomatic relationship and the consequences we've seen taking place.



Romney and Obama's debate disagreement of whether Russia was a true geopolitical foe comes to mind again

And now the Republicans are in bed with that shirtless horse riding stud.




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[Bluer White]

"The Obama legacy that can’t be repealed"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.7cee0079d5dd

[deep]

This really is unpresidented

January 9, 2017, 4:17 PM
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[BVS]

Has deep gone off his own end?


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[Bluer White]

Obama returns to Chicago, a city scarred by gun violence

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-ret...162430348.html

[anitram]

It really does take special gall to criticize Obama, the President of the USA and not the mayor of a city in the midwest, for gun violence when those doing the criticizing are the ones preventing any sort of progress on gun control. I'd say just wow, but this is par for the course.

[Moonlit_Angel]

I also love the implications from conservatives that Obama simply doesn't care about the violence going on in Chicago. He's mentioned Chicago before when discussing the issue of gun violence, acknowledged the problems there are important ones to address as well, but hey, why bother taking that into account, right?

Also, way back in his younger days, he was a community organizer in Chicago. and those people do a lot of work to try and help improve their cities/towns and solve the problems that plague them. But that wasn't cool with the right back in 2008-I remember them making fun of him for it.

But yeah. It's totally his fault Chicago's got a gun violence problem.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Obama returns to Chicago, a city scarred by gun violence



https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-ret...162430348.html

I'm sure Republicans will do everything they can to stop the violence and your legacy of caring about gun violence will be preserved.


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[anitram]

Watching the Obama farewell speech, reflecting on his amazing family, who graced us with no scandals and no drama and no ugliness, thinking about how decent and dignified he is, and then thinking of the horrendous tackiness about to replace them all. There isn't the Valium in the world to make that ok.

[Moonlit_Angel]

I'm watching it, too. Indeed. The difference is so stark it's not even funny.

And Obama's being followed up by a guy who spent years trying to question his birthplace to boot. Talk about a massive slap in the face.