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Old 07-15-2016, 09:07 PM   #21
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Erdogan is scum, and if you look up past instances of military dictatorships in a Turkish context, they're horrifying and just a different type of scum.

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ok yea, i read up a little more. fuck this guy.
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Old 07-15-2016, 09:32 PM   #22
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Looks like the coup is being put down
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Old 07-15-2016, 09:51 PM   #23
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I don't believe it. I mean, I don't want to, but I get the impression that's a move from a weak position trying to mask their holes by controlling what headlines get put out there.
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ok yea, i read up a little more. fuck this guy.
Nice to see that once you state an opinion you are not locked into it.
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I don't believe it. I mean, I don't want to, but I get the impression that's a move from a weak position trying to mask their holes by controlling what headlines get put out there.
Sadly I think he wins and now will be even worse. I think the country is 50% secular and 50% Muslim extreme.
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This is bad for Europe and the E U.
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Already conspiracy theories that this is a staged coup by Erdogan himself and he will arise as dictator tomorrow.

Don't believe conspiracy theories of course, but this is something he would do. He's a pretty terrible human being.
Bizarre, but this coup does look a little weak. A real coup would have blown the Son of a bitch up, or blown his plane out of the sky. This event will launch a full stage dictatorship for him now. No one will dare say a contrary word now.
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Venezuela should learn a thing or two from the Turkish.
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Venezuela should learn a thing or two from the Turkish.
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Erdogan is not a leader Turkey can be proud of (numerous human rights violations, less and less a secular state). But I'm not sure if this coup will achieve progress in Turkey.
It failed.

More Erdogan, unfortunately.
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Military Coup in Turkey

I found myself a little disappointed that the coup failed, and conflicted about the fact that I feel that way. The direction Turkey has gone over the past few years is sad.

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Already conspiracy theories that this is a staged coup by Erdogan himself and he will arise as dictator tomorrow.

Don't believe conspiracy theories of course, but this is something he would do. He's a pretty terrible human being.

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I found myself a little disappointed that the coup failed, and conflicted about the fact that I feel that way. The direction Turkey has gone over the past few years is sad.
I felt much the same way, even if neither outcome was realistically preferable. It was a lose-lose situation, although I would have taken much satisfaction in seeing Erdogan overthrown.
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I... thiiink I'm glad the coup failed? Or at least that it seems to not be turning into a protracted struggle. More instability is the last thing that region needs right now.

On the other hand I think the concerns are legitimate about how Erdogan will use this to further consolidate his power and crush political rivals. Watch as people with clearly no part in this get accused of some sort of guilt.

So no, I really don't know entirely what to think yet.
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I found myself a little disappointed that the coup failed, and conflicted about the fact that I feel that way.
This is exactly how I feel as wel.
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Yeah I'm bummed. I was hoping this was an Egypt repeat.
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Yeah I'm bummed. I was hoping this was an Egypt repeat.
I'm not sure if it's a good example to refer to Egypt. Not sure if the people there have gained so much with the new regimes, that life is so much better there than during Mubarak's regime.
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I'm not sure if it's a good example to refer to Egypt. Not sure if the people there have gained so much with the new regimes, that life is so much better there than during Mubarak's regime.
Thank you. If anything Egypt is a case study on what can go wrong with a coup.

It's sad about Turkey in that it became the epicenter for both migrants and radicals on the run, placed in a series of extremely difficult geo-political situations, and the rest of the world, especially Europe, basically told them to fuck off and handle it on their own.
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Yeah, Egypt's coup didn't work. I thought that was pretty well accepted at this point.
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I hear you, guys.
I also have that bit of conflicted feelings.
And , yeah, Axver extra instability in that region
would be bad overall.

Hoping it doesn't get too bad for the more secular
or separation of mosque and state as it were, proponents.
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I get how it might be a close call, but the net net is this bastard really is bad. A coup would have been okay they've had a number of coups and have remained within NATO and the country has been stable. This would not have turned into Iraq or Syria
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