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“What kind of a person goes in a church and shoots nine people? There’s a sickness in our country. There’s something terribly wrong,” Paul said. “But it isn’t going to be fixed by the government. It’s people straying away. It’s people not understanding where salvation comes from.”
is. Governor Haley says she can't understand what leads a person to commit this kind of act, while the stars and bars fly outside the capitol building, and on this racist murderer's car.
especially when you look at the much higher murder rates in states like Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa, and North Dakota, which have outlawed the death penalty.
Vermont also has the most lax gun laws in the country. And gun violence is no problem here.
I know that very few here will share my sentiment, but I like guns. Shooting and marksmanship is fun, and I've built my own custom AR-15. I like feeling like I'm back in the Corps and it helps me blow off steam. I often exercise my right to concealed carry while I'm out and about. Am I particularly worried about my safety? Nope.
I am not a huge fan of the NRA and I do support some modest gun control that will help prevent those who shouldn't have a gun from getting one. I vehemently oppose bans on "assault rifles" (inaccurate term) and extended magazines. Getting a gun is also not as easy as many are claiming, and I get the feeling that none of you have any actual experience with that. I was buying a new hunting rifle last fall from an FFL after I had just moved to a new apartment, and I couldn't purchase because I didn't have enough proof of my place of address (my license had my old address). I had bills from new apartment, but they were not sufficient and I needed help from my landlord to prove my address. They also did a thorough background check.
And none of the proposed gun control legislation would have prevented what happened. He used a regular handgun with no extended magazines or anything else, that was lawfully given to him by his parents. Would making it illegal to give your kid a firearm when they are of legal age to own one have prevented it? Probably not, he would have probably just taken it from them. Blame the parents if you want, (and I do) but the problem here is racism, and (if not this time, in many others) mental illness.
Feel free to attack me now for me being a 'gun lover'
I was talking about the death penalty and how it isn't a deterrent to murder.
Shooting and marksmanship is fun,
I am not a huge fan of the NRA and I do support some modest gun control that will help prevent those who shouldn't have a gun from getting one.
And none of the proposed gun control legislation would have prevented what happened. He used a regular handgun with no extended magazines or anything else, that was lawfully given to him by his parents. Would making it illegal to give your kid a firearm when they are of legal age to own one have prevented it? Probably not, he would have probably just taken it from them.
The problem is that even "some modest gun control" legislation that the vast majority of citizens would approve is practically DOA thanks to the NRA and its overwhelmingly powerful lobby.
without them, there would be bans on those scary looking semi autos and more than ten round mags, which like I said, I oppose and find unconstitutional. So I dunno.
I know, but you brought up how Vermont has very little violent crime, and I just wanted to make the connection that we also have no gun laws.
Exactly, his face is already plastered all over the media.
This will drive the news for days. Forget that 60 plus people who have been murdered in Baltimore since May. I can't remember the number for Chicago or L.A.
A news leak about pills found on him is not confirmed yet, but I'm guessing he's another Adam Lanza. Red flags all around him, but no one took them seriously.
President (not gonna bring us together) Obama wasted no time in pulling out his race card and pressing his anti-gun agenda.
I'm so fucking angry today. Because of our insane gun culture, this racist scumbag was able to murder 9 innocent people. Because he's a lone white male, we're not allowed to call him a terrorist. Because he was a white male he was able to be taken into custody alive. This country is so fucked up.
Oh, so it's all about bad parenting? So, the difference between us, Australia, The UK, France, Spain, Italy, etc is that Americans just suck at parenting?
No. The difference is that it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license. The difference is that our culture reveres gun ownership like we're still in 1775. It's sick.
given that this was a white nationalist murdering african americans in a church where MLK had preached and was once a stop on the Underground Railroad, combined with the fact that this person has easy access to firearms especially in a southern state, how is this issue not about race and guns?
honestly.
Hardly obscure, these flags (and colonial regimes) are quite popular amongst white supremacists I would imagine. All it would take to learn about it is a quick browse through Wikipedia.
In my view, this is first and foremost about white supremacy, the gun issue (whilst still important) is secondary.
He wants to start a civil war. This is what he told someone he personally knows.
Sounds like terrorism based on hate.
Suspect Heard Talking of 'Starting a Civil War'
And Fox News turned this into a case of anti-Christian persecution to support their agenda and claimed without evidence that the shooter had to be atheist instead of saying that it was based on racism, which it clearly was.
Also, 10 black people are killed by a white supremacist and you still bring up the murder rate in predominantly black communities out of faux concern? Shame on you.
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Here's what I don't understand. The same people who preach about American Exceptionalism think that it's citizens are so morally bankrupt that if we tried to ban guns the country would devolve into chaos. They think that we are so inherently inferior to every other developed country, that eliminating guns isn't going to help, because well, we are just so violent. It's sad that they think like this.
What's also telling, is that the number of guns sold under the Obama administration is much, much higher than those sold under W. And yet, according to these same folks, racism isn't a problem.
You can really tell how desperately out of touch much of the right wing is by their response to this. Governor Haley says she can't understand what leads a person to commit this kind of act, while the stars and bars fly outside the capitol building, and on this racist murderer's car. The NRA and their purchased politicians talk about more guns solving this problem (the lunacy of that stance is astounding to me - because what we really want is for everyone to be packing heat in a house of God).
No one, not one of them, has been able to utter the word racist yet. It's appalling.
Charleston massacre: The latest American mass killing | The Economist
The regularity of mass killings breeds familiarity. The rhythms of grief and outrage that accompany them become—for those not directly affected by tragedy—ritualised and then blend into the background noise. That normalisation makes it ever less likely that America's political system will groan into action to take steps to reduce their frequency or deadliness. Those who live in America, or visit it, might do best to regard them the way one regards air pollution in China: an endemic local health hazard which, for deep-rooted cultural, social, economic and political reasons, the country is incapable of addressing. This may, however, be a bit unfair. China seems to be making progress on pollution.