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Awareness and care for mental illnesses can always be better. I totally see where you're coming from Steved... but this is not a situation to go "fuck the mental illness". It provides an opportunity to talk more about it, what leads people down these horrible paths. I'm with you in that I've got no empathy for the guy whatsoever though. Personally mine disappears when you commit a crime like that.
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You can argue that more gun control would have prevented it, then you can argue that if everyone was armed and trained this would have never happened. People are just afraid to admit that there are sick people among us. Some people hide it, some people snap and do stuff like this. I wonder what's going to come out about this guy in the next few weeks. |
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I just think it's extremely short-sighted to discount the need for more and effective, and wider-reaching mental health services, when that is one of the two major causes of this sort of thing. What you brought up about adult snapping without warning and this sort of thing happening is unusual. There are almost always warning signs, if people are looking for them. The problem is, other people exhibit similar or the same signs, but never escalate to something like this. So it's true that there is no way of telling who will snap and who won't...it would just help a lot if people would look out for each other more. |
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People claim we live in an interconnected society, but really no one looks out for each other anymore. How many people in here really know their neighbors? Walking the halls in the high school I work at, kids have their heads in their cell phones texting or doing whatever they do in between classes. Hell, I'm guilty of it when I'm doing my food shopping, i always have my earbuds in. How can we look for signs among our neighbors when we isolate ourselves? |
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No one "makes a choice" to execute 5 year olds.
This is mental illness in a country where it's easier to access firearms than it is to get health care |
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You're right. There are no easy answers. It's just that a society like that with such easy access to guns is a recipe for disaster, unfortunately. And even if gun laws were changed tomorrow, it would probably take generations to get out of that mindset of entitlement, and for stricter regulations to influence the number of illegal guns available on the streets. But it's better than doing nothing, no? |
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It was a choice. He murdered his mother, then he drove to the school, gained access because they knew him, and walked to the classroom, gunned down the teacher then murdered 18 kids and 8 adults. There was a choice in there. There were many choices. Each time he pulled that trigger he made a choice. |
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Reasonable people won't disagree either. It will take generations to change the mindset of this country, and even then I don't think things will change throughout the whole country. There will always be holdouts. |
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And yet every single time we go through the same, "They always seemed so nice/normal/quiet/etc." speech. VP is right that these people generally do tend to let off some pretty obvious signs that they are unstable. But you are right, too, Steved, that our isolation makes it harder to notice those signs. Quote:
As for the media, well, obviously this will be talked about, because it's kind of a huge story. And I think there is a way for the media to interview these people and discuss these issues in a rational, non-exploitative manner. Unfortunately, I don't think our current media at large wants to do that or can do that. |
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When a plane falls out of the sky we investigate to find out what went wrong, what part was defective. In a perfect world planes do not fall out of the sky, they are machines and can be made 100% reliable.
People are not machines, we can not expect them to function at 100 %. People that have diminished capacities still know the difference between right and wrong, We all have bad days, dark moods, problems, etc, to think that we can live carefree lives is not realistic. When things go badly one should get help or at worst kill themselves and no one else. People that do these things should be held accountable, some consideration can be given to their circumstances, such as when a 14 year old murderer gets 40 years, instead of a life sentence. |
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No. You are dealing with a sick individual. This is no shooting a cheating spouse. This is not murdering someone who owes you money. This is a deep degree of mental illness. All that you are doing is trying to absolve yourself of feeling any guilt by pulling out a weak "it was a choice" explanation for these actions. |
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Ultimately people are responsible for their own actions, whether they made the choice in their right mind or not. He still pulled the trigger. Whatever caused him to do it is null the second he pulls the trigger. Maybe he could have gotten help, but I have to think that once you're in the situation, you have to make the choice to fire that gun. Look at people who try to commit suicide. The ones who are successful come out of nowhere. It's the ones that cut their writs with butter knives and make a show out of it and cry for help are the ones that will never do it. |
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Explanation =/= excuse
No one is even remotely suggesting having a mental illness excuses people from crimes they commit. Human nature leads us to look for an explanation. I'm just putting that there for general conversation - I'm not going to get sucked into another unending argument with you about it. |
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