Mass Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School

[Eighties]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Just so we're clear: these kids (and a hundred thousand or so others) are necessary collateral damage so that you can keep paranoid delusion where you're the awesome guy with the gun who stands up against The Robots.

Your missing my point of view, guns have their many purposes, most people don't see it because they don't own one or used one in a life saving scenario. I'm not going to say they are not abused, but abusive people steal them or somehow obtain them and misuse them. That's why I believe in tougher regulations to receive a gun, but not make the gun itself illegal.

[Jive Turkey]

It reeks of jars of urine in here this morning. What the hell were you guys up to last night?

[Eighties]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

It reeks of jars of urine in here this morning. What the hell were you guys up to last night?

I woke up and I saw smelly stuff, and I gave smelly stuff back.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Eighties

Every rebellion starts out the same and the rifle in your hands is your primary tool. Please tell me how rain is going to stop falling and creeks will stop flowing because of the governments power. phone and internet ? I can go to an internet cafe and my IP address will instantly change. You apparently haven't done any research on gorilla warfare, know anything about survival, or warfare. I wonder if you know chemical weapons have been against international law since WW1. Tanks can't go in woods, machine guns are just over powered rifles, if an organized rebellion where to form they could probably buy heavy weapons from central america. Also do you realize how effective an IED is ? also how easy it is to make a home made bomb ? Also i like to be independent and able to hold my own. When a hurricane hits and society shuts down, have fun defending your roaring generator with a poo gun. People are going to want to steal your resources for survival. When you call 911 (if your phone has power) the police will not arrive.

Do you have carrier pigeons too? I mean that's how you plan on contacting Central America for heavy weapons when that satan government knock out your infrastructure right? And do you just look up "heavy weapons" in the yellow pages? Oh, wait you couldn't Google it. Hmmm, and do you plan on paying these Central Americans in goldline coins that you and Glenn Beck have collected in your basement?

[Caleb8844]

We're getting dreadfully off topic here. Bottom line: revolutions have occurred across the globe. They're obviously possible..even with a shortage of carrier pigeons. I don't think there's any need to sit down and discuss the actual minutia of it.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Eighties

I'm not going to say they are not abused, but abusive people steal them or somehow obtain them and misuse them. That's why I believe in tougher regulations to receive a gun, but not make the gun itself illegal.

The problem in the US is that they are far too easy to obtain, and our gun culture has allowed that. Are there legitimate reasons? Absolutely. Are there certain weapons that don't have any legitimate place in our civilians hands? Absolutely. Obsessions with 1884 end of the world scenarios is not a reason enough, you're not thinking smart enough if you believe that gun is the answer to that make believe issue. If a government goes rogue in the US in today's world it's going to take 21st century thinking and 22nd century tools.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by BVS

The problem in the US is that they are far too easy to obtain, and our gun culture has allowed that.

I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with that. We've all voiced support for tougher background checks.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

We're getting dreadfully off topic here. Bottom line: revolutions have occurred across the globe. They're obviously possible..even with a shortage of carrier pigeons. I don't think there's any need to sit down and discuss the actual minutia of it.

Well we're actually exactly on topic because this is the premise laid out by so many gun nuts. Just watch Alex Jones' rant on Piers Morgan's show, this is the guy that will be second in command behind Eighties. They have it all figured out.

Do revolutions happen, absolutely. Where do they happen? How developed are those countries? So let's be honest and admit that every scenario requires different thinking and different tools. The US is much different from Libya. An assault rifle here would be like bringing a 3 inch pocket knife to a gun fight. It's just common sense.

So let's bring common sense to this issue. I think almost everyone agrees on reforming background checks. Thank god, finally. Now let's start applying that common sense beyond that. Give me common sense reasons for certain guns and I'll talk to you. But no one has given me any real and common sense reasons for assault weapons.

[Popmartijn]

Originally Posted by Eighties

30,000 gun deaths do not happen from people with my mind set

I don't want to make it too personal, but to me it seems that it does happen from people with your mindset. Because I interpret your comment as an "It's not me, it's you!" mindset. And then it is a 'we' issue. You are not alone. And your guns are not just usable by you.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people; that is why i'm all for it being tougher to get guns but not make the gun itself illegal.

Yes, people kill people. By using guns.
No-one here is really arguing for making all guns illegal and we all agree here that it should be tougher to get guns. So make those steps. Because all the delaying, dragging, protesting, etc. to even the lightest measures will only result in pressure for more radical changes.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with that. We've all voiced support for tougher background checks.

You're right and I think that's a great first step. But the big factor in that is the "gun culture has allowed that". We've allowed certain groups to own our our political process, we've allowed certain groups to glorify this weapon, and we've allowed these groups to make these weapons far too easy to obtain and get in the hands of the wrong people.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Popmartijn

Yes, people kill people. By using guns.

Indeed. I guess the other option would be to make people illegal and let guns roam freely. But I'm not sure how that would work.

Originally Posted by Eighties

You apparently haven't done any research on gorilla warfare,

Does reading up on G.W. Bush' actions as Commander in Chief count?

[BoMac]

Originally Posted by Eighties

You apparently haven't done any research on gorilla warfare

[YBORCITY]

Originally Posted by Eighties

Do people even look in history books anymore ?!?! It's not an insane concept that governments turn bad and the people rebel for their freedom. The kids in newtone didn't die by my hands, they died by someone with a mental problem and stolen weapons. And I really don't give a shit about your rainbows, everyone holding hands , and the government is my lover fantasy world.

The kids don't matter Irvine here really do they? As long as eighties could have his weapons for when Obama and his minions to take over the country or even more likely when the zombie apocolypse comes.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by YBORCITYOBL

The kids don't matter Irvine here really do they? As long as eighties could have his weapons for when Obama and his minions to take over the country or even more likely when the zombie apocolypse comes.

Come on, now. You're painting this as far more extreme an idea than it really is. Although, I expect that's actually your goal. You argue against who MSNBC and Chris Matthews tell you the other side is, and when they don't fit this stereotype, you twist words and ideas until they do.

[YBORCITY]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

Come on, now. You're painting this as far more extreme an idea than it really is. Although, I expect that's actually your goal. You argue against who MSNBC and Chris Matthews tell you the other side is, and when they don't fit this stereotype, you twist words and ideas until they do.

WRONG!!!!

I'm a NRA member and I own and keep weapons in both of my homes. They are handguns - just enough to protect myself and my property secure.

I don't watch PMSNBC and I don't certainly watch FOX News, as I've grown older I am getting more on the conservative side but hate the radicals on both sides. What I would like is to have a serious debate on how to keep our kids safe and feel safe going to school. I'm assuming you're prolly a lot younger than myself and am gonna come off as being old and antiquated but when I was a child this wasn't even in the realm of things happening. Our kids are our most important resources and unfortunately the new reality doesn't seem to fit.

[YBORCITY]

... Oh wait I didn't get my shots in at you - let me guess you live in your parents basement surrounded by all of your automatic weapons, which is somehow prolly a way to compensate for something maybe missing or shortcomings.. not sure. You listen to Rush, Hannity and O'rielly and while you arw a U2 fan, you have to somehow make that coelesce being such a huge fan of Ted Nugent

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by YBORCITYOBL

WRONG!!!!

I'm a NRA member and I own and keep weapons in both of my homes. They are handguns - just enough to protect myself and my property secure.

I don't watch PMSNBC and I don't certainly watch FOX News, as I've grown older I am getting more on the conservative side but hate the radicals on both sides. What I would like is to have a serious debate on how to keep our kids safe and feel safe going to school. I'm assuming you're prolly a lot younger than myself and am gonna come off as being old and antiquated but when I was a child this wasn't even in the realm of things happening. Our kids are our most important resources and unfortunately the new reality doesn't seem to fit.

Perhaps I was wrong, although, when you take a post about defending yourself from the possibility of a tyrannical government one day, and extrapolate it to the poster not caring about children and believing that Obama will take over the country, or believing in a zombie apocalypse.... that's not the serious debate you claim to want. That's demagoguery

Originally Posted by YBORCITYOBL

... Oh wait I didn't get my shots in at you - let me guess you live in your parents basement surrounded by all of your automatic weapons, which is somehow prolly a way to compensate for something maybe missing or shortcomings.. not sure. You listen to Rush, Hannity and O'rielly and while you arw a U2 fan, you have to somehow make that coelesce being such a huge fan of Ted Nugent

Ah, yes, here's that serious debate you were wanting. Yep, you nailed me, man; good job

[LemonMelon]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

believing in a zombie apocalypse

This should be included in the criteria for rejecting a firearms license.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

This should be included in the criteria for rejecting a firearms license.

LemonMelon is a zombie sympathizer. You heard it here first.

[Eighties]

Liberals resorting to name calling, and other immature tactics, how typical.