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Your missing my point of view, guns have their many purposes, most people don't see it because they don't own one or used one in a life saving scenario. I'm not going to say they are not abused, but abusive people steal them or somehow obtain them and misuse them. That's why I believe in tougher regulations to receive a gun, but not make the gun itself illegal.
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It reeks of jars of urine in here this morning. What the hell were you guys up to last night?
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We're getting dreadfully off topic here. Bottom line: revolutions have occurred across the globe. They're obviously possible..even with a shortage of carrier pigeons. I don't think there's any need to sit down and discuss the actual minutia of it.
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The problem in the US is that they are far too easy to obtain, and our gun culture has allowed that. Are there legitimate reasons? Absolutely. Are there certain weapons that don't have any legitimate place in our civilians hands? Absolutely. Obsessions with 1884 end of the world scenarios is not a reason enough, you're not thinking smart enough if you believe that gun is the answer to that make believe issue. If a government goes rogue in the US in today's world it's going to take 21st century thinking and 22nd century tools.
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Do revolutions happen, absolutely. Where do they happen? How developed are those countries? So let's be honest and admit that every scenario requires different thinking and different tools. The US is much different from Libya. An assault rifle here would be like bringing a 3 inch pocket knife to a gun fight. It's just common sense. So let's bring common sense to this issue. I think almost everyone agrees on reforming background checks. Thank god, finally. Now let's start applying that common sense beyond that. Give me common sense reasons for certain guns and I'll talk to you. But no one has given me any real and common sense reasons for assault weapons. |
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I don't want to make it too personal, but to me it seems that it does happen from people with your mindset. Because I interpret your comment as an "It's not me, it's you!" mindset. And then it is a 'we' issue. You are not alone. And your guns are not just usable by you.
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You're right and I think that's a great first step. But the big factor in that is the "gun culture has allowed that". We've allowed certain groups to own our our political process, we've allowed certain groups to glorify this weapon, and we've allowed these groups to make these weapons far too easy to obtain and get in the hands of the wrong people.
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Indeed. I guess the other option would be to make people illegal and let guns roam freely. But I'm not sure how that would work.
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Come on, now. You're painting this as far more extreme an idea than it really is. Although, I expect that's actually your goal. You argue against who MSNBC and Chris Matthews tell you the other side is, and when they don't fit this stereotype, you twist words and ideas until they do.
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I'm a NRA member and I own and keep weapons in both of my homes. They are handguns - just enough to protect myself and my property secure. I don't watch PMSNBC and I don't certainly watch FOX News, as I've grown older I am getting more on the conservative side but hate the radicals on both sides. What I would like is to have a serious debate on how to keep our kids safe and feel safe going to school. I'm assuming you're prolly a lot younger than myself and am gonna come off as being old and antiquated but when I was a child this wasn't even in the realm of things happening. Our kids are our most important resources and unfortunately the new reality doesn't seem to fit. |
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... Oh wait I didn't get my shots in at you - let me guess you live in your parents basement surrounded by all of your automatic weapons, which is somehow prolly a way to compensate for something maybe missing or shortcomings.. not sure. You listen to Rush, Hannity and O'rielly and while you arw a U2 fan, you have to somehow make that coelesce being such a huge fan of Ted Nugent
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Liberals resorting to name calling, and other immature tactics, how typical.
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