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It's clear to me that the assault weapons ban is simply a stepping stone to a full semi-automatic weapons ban. I'd simply like people to be honest and say that this is the end goal, and not that banning foldable stocks is the answer. |
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But since you don't seem to understand the reason behind the definition let me ask you this, in hunting or self-defense can you explain who would need: a 30 round clip? a reason to conceal a rifle? Hence a folding stock. a reason to conceal the flame put off by fire? I don't think the deer of robber are going to be effected. a pistol grip on a rifle? There's a reason it's called a PISTOL grip. Rifles were not designed this way, the only reason for it, is rapid fire. So, can you think of any legitimate reasons? Before you start seeing that it's "clear" the reasons you may want to understand the definition. |
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As for your other questions, here is what a rudimentary google search turned up: Folding stocks: according to legal gun owners, these make guns far more easily stored and transported. If concealing is one's main goal, a semi-automatic pistol (which could hold the same amount of ammo) would be a better choice. Flash suppressor: this does NOT totally conceal the flash. It will not hide your position from others very effectively. Instead, its use is more so shielding the user from temporary blindness while shooting in the dark. Seems like a useful tool for hunting. Pistol grips: helps with recoil, and comfort. However, the weight of proof in these type of debates should fall on the party wanting to change the status quo. Here, that would be people in favor of the ban. I'd like to know how you assume that this assault weapons ban will be successful, when the last assault weapons ban in this country is widely viewed as a failure to curb gun violence. |
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Pistol grips is a gray area, I've met one hunter in all my life that preferred a pistol grip, and that was because he was a shit shot. Pistol grips were introduced for two reasons, and remember the definition says "2 or more" of these modifications. Pistol grips are often coupled with a method of a quick release clip, the other purpose is for using a rifle in a non-rifle position, which is definitely a wartime method, not a hunting method. Quote:
Here's the thing: any weapons ban will take a long while to really take any effect. The current model of ban that they are seeking I think will reduce "passion" crimes. But a ban like this will eventually curb the types of weapons on the black market. I'm so sick and tired of pro-guners using this as a reason. The black market is comprised mostly of legally manufactured guns redistributed from legal US manufacturers. |
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If you do what do you use it for? |
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But in all seriousness, are semi automatic handguns legal there? If you want to talk about a weapon that has no other use but to shoot people, there's one right there |
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![]() But yes, the majority of the US's handguns are semi-automatic. i believe handguns have a legitimate use for home security, but I'm not the biggest fan of most state's right to conceal laws. |
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![]() Oh, I guess they would all be semi automatic. I'm not really a gun guy (pretty good at Call of Duty though... that's kinda the same thing, right?). I know a few friends that have their handgun licenses here and the restrictions are super strict. You're not even allowed to use it in self defense, no matter what (in your home, doesn't matter), as far as I know |
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Is that just because of the mechanics though? I assume you don't have to cock the hammer every time on most
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We have the right to own fire arms of all sorts for multiple reasons.
One: self-defense. I would like a semi-automatic rifle/pistol with its designed magazine in case I miss, or there are multiple intruders. Militaristic features ? Give me a break. The gun was made by the military for the military; anything on it could earn this label. In some places, police do not have a good response time, and if you have a family I think you would like to have EVERY advantage you could have to protect yourself and your loved ones. It's not the weapons, it's our society. Violence is a more common thing with the media giving it a "normal" feeling. Also the destruction of families has put people under more stress and problems than ever. How to fix the problem of people stealing or misusing a fire arm is surprising. It's not to create laws, but to talk to your neighbors, family, and friends. Know how everyone is doing and be involved. Also i think implementing background checks and making it harder to own a firearm are fine things to do, but don't outlaw them. |
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It is widely held opinion that the '94 assault weapons ban did nearly nothing to curb gun violence; hence, it was not renewed in 2004. |
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Video games, music, movies --- it's blatantly obvious that these mediums are, by and large, much more violent than they were 20 years ago.
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The Sandy Hook elementary children's chorus will be singing "America The Beautiful" at the Super Bowl on Sunday.
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