Mass Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Dfit00

I did not imply it to be an excuse for not implementing gun control laws. My point is that no matter what laws are implemented, they will not stop regular citizens, killers and mentally ill people from obtaining guns in the black market and hence tragedies like this one from happening again.

In the end, gun control laws only alleviate the problem, but they do not provide a complete solution.

Of course there is no complete solution. But I take issue with the black market argument. Firstly, where do you think most of the black market guns come from? Secondly, not everyone has the connections to know where to get a black market gun. How long do you thing it would take someone to find those connections? Most of the mass shootings are perpetrated by mentally ill individuals who are usually triggered by something recent, so if you eliminate the immediacy to obtain you might be able to reduce the numbers of these incidents.

[the iron horse]

Halt the Massacre of Innocent Children by Ending Prohibition on Self-Defense in Schools | Libertarian Party

[BoMac]

In 2012, there were shootings in malls, movie theatres, places of worship, as well as schools. Putting armed personnel in schools will do nothing to address the larger issue of access to assault weapons.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

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What a dumb article! That whole line about how they don't go into police stations because that's where the guns are sums up the problem with this article. One it's a lie, shooters enter police stations ALL the time. Two it really negates the issue that gun nuts NEVER want to address; police are trained on how to react. An armed teacher is not trained on how to deal with the actuality of killing an attacker. Untrained gun owners can often do more damage than good. Then there's the issue of gun storage in a school.

But seriously a horrible article. The "party of principle" part is by far the funniest part of that website.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by Dfit00

I did not imply it to be an excuse for not implementing gun control laws. My point is that no matter what laws are implemented, they will not stop regular citizens, killers and mentally ill people from obtaining guns in the black market and hence tragedies like this one from happening again.

In the end, gun control laws only alleviate the problem, but they do not provide a complete solution.

Nothing provides a complete solution. But making it harder for lunatics and idiots to get a gun is certainly one heck of a step towards the right way!

How many mentally ill people would find their way on the black market to get a gun, and how many can just randomly go to the fucking wall mart to buy bullets for their legally obtained gun?

Yeah, I'd say those numbers will be QUITE different. And that alone should prevent multiple cases of these lunatics shooting other people dead.

[BEAL]

Where is this black market? When this argument comes up it makes it sound like its just like your city's local farmers market for guns and drugs.

Most of society don't even know where you would go find these type of illegal guns anyway

[Axver]

We don't have nutjobs shooting up schools, movie theatres, malls, etc. in Australia with guns acquired on the black market due to our strict gun laws. How many times do people have to cite Australia to point out that gun control WORKS?

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

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You are dangerous.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Halt the Massacre of Innocent Children by Ending Prohibition on Self-Defense in Schools | Libertarian Party

Ummmmm, yeah, how about, "HELL, no"?

[anitram]

Originally Posted by Axver

We don't have nutjobs shooting up schools, movie theatres, malls, etc. in Australia with guns acquired on the black market due to our strict gun laws. How many times do people have to cite Australia to point out that gun control WORKS?

We have a black market which is where nearly all guns which are used in Canadian murders originate. And guess what is the source of that black market? Guns from the US, which come across the border illegally.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by anitram

We have a black market which is where nearly all guns which are used in Canadian murders originate. And guess what is the source of that black market? Guns from the US, which come across the border illegally.

Figures.


We have a black market too, with the OCASIONAL gunfights. But usually that occurs from one criminal to another, not a public shooting.
We've had one event last year, where a lunatic went shooting in a mall, ironically he had a legit gun because he was a member of a shooting club. Funnily enough our gun clubs now have stricter policies and check on their members better. You could almost say people learn from their mistakes...

[MrsSpringsteen]

Gun rights activist goes after Hollywood A-listers in YouTube video splicing their calls for gun control with violent images from their films - NY Daily News

"The video, however, doesn’t acknowledge that many of the celebrity films clips were of actors playing police, FBI agents or members of the military. It also identifies the celebrity PSA as “anti-gun,” when the video, and the Mayors Against Illegal Guns campaign, actually calls for tighter gun control, including requiring a background check on every gun sold and a ban on high-capacity magazines."

[Axver]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

We have a black market too, with the OCASIONAL gunfights. But usually that occurs from one criminal to another, not a public shooting.

Yeah, most of the recent high profile gun crime that I can think of in Australia has been underworld sort of stuff - criminal gangs, drug rings, etc. They're the kind of people who, even when we had lax gun laws, still used the black market to acquire their weapons.

Incidentally, ever since Australia clamped down heavily on guns after 35 died at Port Arthur in 1996, how many people died in the worst public shooting spree? Two. (And the guns were legally acquired, not black market.)

[cobl04]

Originally Posted by Axver

Yeah, most of the recent high profile gun crime that I can think of in Australia has been underworld sort of stuff - criminal gangs, drug rings, etc. They're th kind of people who, even when we had lax gun laws, still used the black market to acquire their weapons.

Incidentally, ever since Australia clamped down heavily on guns after 35 died at Port Arthur in 1996, how many people died in the worst public shooting spree? Two. (And the guns were legally acquired, not black market.)

we definitely still have gun violence, of that there is no doubt. But innocent bystanders rarely get killed or injured.

[MrsSpringsteen]

The kids went back to school today, in their new school. Must be very difficult for them.

[MrPryck2U]

Yes, they renamed the new school Sandy Hook.

[BoMac]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

The kids went back to school today, in their new school. Must be very difficult for them.

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[Moonlit_Angel]

Wow. Really?

Good luck to the kids in their new settings.

[BoMac]

I just saw the Alex Jones interview on Piers Morgan.

What exactly did I just watch? I'm so confused...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by BoMac

I just saw the Alex Jones interview on Piers Morgan.

What exactly did I just watch? I'm so confused...

You are a state controlled mouthpiece for the new world order!

Guns don't kill Prozac does!