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Old 12-16-2012, 04:37 PM   #201
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I want to apologize to mysteriousjen and everyone else here who may have Asperger and/or knows someone else who does.

Say, an everyday stranger who lives in the city as you, probably couldn't tell if someone had Aspergers, bipolar, or whathaveyou... they'll probably just pick up there's something strange about that person, and think nothing more of it.

But I think the idea of stigmatizing people/persons is a general human fallacy. Asperger can get stigmatized, but so can "mental illness." I mean, what do people mean by "mental illness"? People suffering from depression, bipolar, anxiety, phobias, or schizophrenia? Lump them all into the same category?

Here are an interesting notes from @westwingreport:

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Secret Service report (from 2002) on mass shootings. 17% “had been diagnosed with mental health or behavior disorder prior to the attack”

The 2002 Secret Service report on mass shootings: most attackers never had a mental health evaluation, though 78% had suicidal thoughts

Mass shooters, the report says, don't suddenly snap. It builds up; the more they plan, the more likely (from legal standpoint) they are sane
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:39 PM   #202
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Even if the US enforces stringent measures on gun control, a black market for guns will always be present. Access to guns will always be facilitated regardless of what laws are implemented. Money and black marketed items go hand in hand to break stringent laws, very similar what happens with countries with foreign currency exchange controls.
This.
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At all.

I bet Australia has a black market for guns too and you see the stas there.

This excuse needs to die in the fiery pits of hell.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:43 PM   #203
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And that's all the 2 cents I think I can give.

The past few days have been a horrible tragedy for victims and their families, as well as this nation.

It does no good (and I'm at fault for this too) to rationalize and attribute cause to whatever people or issue, because some groups of people who were never involved are going to get the brunt of these recent events.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:54 PM   #204
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I think what happened is that Asperger's was removed and will now fall under the Autism Spectrum Disorder, although I'm not sure if that's been formally announced as 100% sure yet.

Good luck tomorrow. I feel absolutely awful for all kids and teachers and school staff who have to face that.
DSM-5 won't be published until spring, I think, but Asperger's is going away. Autism Spectrum Disorder is getting a broader definition and will include most individuals with Asperger's. There is also a new category called Social Communication Disorder that describes those without repetitive behaviors. It is not considered part of the autism spectrum.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:07 PM   #205
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Really good and important read here:

I Am Adam Lanza's Mother
That was a good read - until this blogger points out Liza Long's shortcomings on her blog:

Want the Truth Behind “I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother”? Read her blog. | Sarah Kendzior
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:19 PM   #206
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"I teach ethics at my college" she says
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:44 PM   #207
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My god, it seems another mass school shooting was thwarted, in Oklahoma, at practically the same time as the Connecticut shootings, when a classmate of the guy who was going to do it reported him.

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Hours after the bloodshed at a Connecticut school, police stopped what would have been a second mass school-shooting on Friday, arresting an Oklahoma teenager plotting to kill dozens of his classmates.

Sammie Eaglebear Chavez, 18, told friends at Bartlesville High School that he wanted to lure their schoolmates and teachers to the gym and then open fire, according to officials.

He also claimed to have explosives he planned to detonate once police arrived.

A classmate overheard Chavez scheming on Thursday and cops arrested him early Friday before he could carry out his plan. A judge in the small city of Bartlesville, which lies about an hour north of Tulsa, ordered that Chavez be held on $1 million bail.

Investigators believe Chavez owned a Colt .45 handgun and had been researching how to obtain explosives and higher-powered firearms. He also frequently discussed the 1999 shootings at Columbine High school.

The motive for the plot was not immediately known. Investigators do not suspect the scheme was linked to or inspired by the shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 children dead.
Read more: The same day as Connecticut gun rampage, Oklahoma student was caught plotting mass shooting: police - NY Daily News
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:31 PM   #208
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The Anarchist Soccer Mom: Thinking the Unthinkable

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.


I think this may have been posted earlier, but I'm leaving it here for anyone who missed it.
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So tell me, why does anyone need 47 guns? This is sickening.


News from The Associated Press
Just saw this. I live way too near here. That article says that it was nothing to worry about, but I'm worried anyways. I don't even see the point in bothering with trying to have a family right now. This is slowly killing me.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:13 PM   #210
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This.
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At all.
Thank you. In what universe do we simply just shrug and give up because we'll never be able to completely solve a problem?
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:42 PM   #211
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Apparently the universe is America and its obsession with guns.

Nothing we can do except buy more guns
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Just saw POTUS preempt Sunday Night Football. He's coming for our guns fo' shnizzle. Time to stock up before it's too late.

 
Seriously, anyone want to bet gun sales are up significantly next week.
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^this is heartening - Pressing Issues: Now Mulitply This In Every Community
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:52 PM   #214
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I live in Vermont, which despite being one of the most liberal state in the country (we have as far as I know the only self-proclaimed socialist senator), we ironically have the most lax gun laws.

We don't have waiting periods.

You are allowed to carry any sort of firearm, be it a handgun or assault rifle, either concealed or openly, without a permit. There's no such thing as a concealed carry or open carry permit here. The only restriction is that you can't bring a firearm onto school, state, or federal property. Only two other states allow that, I can't think of which ones though.

You don't have to register your firearms.

You only have to be 16 to possess or carry a firearm, and if you're under 16 you only need parental consent.

Sounds crazy right? Yet we have virtually no violent crime.

I think the fed's should stay out of gun control laws and leave it up to the states to regulate. That's just my two cents and I'm sure most here will disagree, but I'd like to see someone explain to me how Vermont has less regulations than Texas results in an extremely small amount of violent crime.

Maybe it's because were all hippies and just love each other so much.

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The state of Vermont is one of many to employ very few firearm laws or restrictions. Vermont can arguably be considered as the state with the least amount of firearm laws. Even though the state may share similar legislature with other notably less restrictive states, such as no permits to purchase, or the requiring of registration of guns and their owners, the most notable law--or lack thereof--is the fact that under Vermont firearm laws, it not necessary to have a permit to conceal and carry a weapon.

It is an aspect of law that the state of Texas is currently pursuing and attempting to push into the state's legislature as well. It is possible that the most stringent code of firearms law in the state pertains to the fact that all dealers are required to keep records of all sales of new and used handguns.

The records must include the weapon's make, name, and model, as well as the caliber and manufacturer's serial number. The purchaser's information is also included on the record, which includes name, address, occupation, age, height, weight, and even hair and eye color. The records must be kept on file and on location for at least six years and made available to the proper authorities if ever requested.

Possession of a firearm is not contingent to obtaining permits or licenses either. No one under the age of 16 may be in possession of a firearm unless the minor has the permission of a parent or legal guardian. One of the few restrictions imposed by Vermont firearm laws is that no one can be in possession of a zip gun. A zip gun is defined as a homemade firearm or weapon.

These homemade weapons can often be disguised as other objects or hidden within them. Zip guns may commonly be disguised as pens, flashlights, or cell phones. Generally speaking, zip guns are prohibited and considered illegal in the United States. It is interesting that Vermont decided to enact this law in to writing, perhaps because of the fact that open carry and conceal and carry is available in the state with out a permit.

Because there are no restrictions as to what kind of weapon may be carried, the possibility of carrying a zip gun could be considered possible if it was not enacted as illegal by firearm law of Vermont. However, other dangerous firearms such as machine guns or automatic weapons do not have any regulations imposed. The purchase, possession, and selling of machine guns is allowed by Vermont law, as long as the weapon is registered and complies with federal laws.

As mentioned, the carrying of a firearm--open or concealed--is legal in Vermont. The only imposed restrictions upon the carrying of firearms is that an individual may not carry or possess a firearm on school grounds. The only exception to this law is if a firearms is on the grounds for the purpose of education and safety. This also includes court houses as well.

The other provision put in to law is that a loaded shotgun or rifle may not be carried in a vehicle on a public highway. Exempt from this law are law enforcement officers and hunters who may have a physical disability and provided with permit by the fish and game commissioner allowing them to do so.
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I think the fed's should stay out of gun control laws and leave it up to the states to regulate. That's just my two cents and I'm sure most here will disagree, but I'd like to see someone explain to me how Vermont having less regulations than Texas results in an extremely small amount of violent crime.
A wealthy, highly-educated citizenry and no large urban areas? Stick Houston into Vermont, and I think your crime statistics might change a bit.
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A wealthy, highly-educated citizenry and no large urban areas? Stick Houston into Vermont, and I think your crime statistics might change a bit.
That's my point, states should make their own laws as they seem fit.
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I think it was a gun like this



that killed the women and children, it weighs about as much as a laptop, 5.5 pounds
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:03 PM   #218
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That's my point, states should make their own laws as they seem fit.
It may be more appropriate to have loose gun laws in New England than it is in California and Texas. But if the argument that stricter gun laws, ceteris paribus, lead to less crime is valid, then that creates an enormous problem in, say, my state, since we have both cities like Houston and Dallas and a governor who has no problem with school teachers being armed.
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that killed the women and children, it weighs about as much as a laptop, 5.5 pounds
yes, he used a bushmaster .223 which I heard he modified himself in some sort of way
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