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Old 10-13-2011, 11:17 PM   #21
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I like that it seems that absolutely everyone in London knows that it's Trafalgar Square the first Saturday after she dies.

Anyway, both Reagan and Thatcher are hugely complicated. Anyone who thinks either are above criticism clearly have absolutely no - zero - understanding of the pickle we're all in today, or in the case of Reagan/US, the pickle your politics are in today. And anyone who thinks they were wholly the spawn of Satan also need to do a bit of a re-read. At the very least, Thatcher did claw Britain out of the dark, and Reagan was, at the very least, a great figurehead and 'leader' for the US, certainly re-established a great confidence in 'America'. But their actual achievements in office, and legacy beyond - complicated.

It's interesting though that in the US, Reagan is deified, almost untouchable, with the mythology waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the reality (and in such a short time), while in the UK, you can pretty much only whisper Thatchers name, and to be tagged as a fan, or worse, 'Thatcherite'... Excuse me sir, I think you should leave.
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Regime - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Definition of REGIME

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a : mode of rule or management
b : a form of government <a socialist regime>
c : a government in power
d : a period of rule

Are you going to tell me that communist states don't, and have never existed? Please don't say yes.
They never have, there is no such thing as a communist state. Communism = a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

Socialism, which is the transitional period towards communism, however, does (in some cases, as there are numerous different tendencies that each propose a different path towards communism) have a state.

So you may be confusing the two words.
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You're right. Pay no attention to the flag's color, 5 pointed red star or hammer & sickle. They have no more symbolic meanings than our flag's 13 stripes or 50 stars.

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The flag doesn't matter, the nature of the USSR was hardly socialist. I'm guessing you're one of those people who still staunchly believe that North Korea and China are socialist, am I correct in making that assumption?
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I'm completely ignorant when it comes to world politics so take this with a few grains of salt but to me it seems you're being super-technical vlad. Maybe pure communism never existed but I'm sure it existed in some way. And China is governed by the Communist Party! I would think if you surveyed 100 people just about all of then would say communism existed.
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China isn't even remotely communist.

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Yeah, and North Korea is a democracy.
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I'm completely ignorant when it comes to world politics so take this with a few grains of salt but to me it seems you're being super-technical vlad. Maybe pure communism never existed but I'm sure it existed in some way. And China is governed by the Communist Party! I would think if you surveyed 100 people just about all of then would say communism existed.
Heh, I'm not really being that technical as a society which lacks a class, state and money has never existed in this world at all. I understand what you mean that they're governed by a so-called Communist Party but the truth is that the nature of the political system is anything but.

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Yeah, and North Korea is a democracy.
Lil Kim gets 100% in every election so he must be doing something right.
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I'll just shut up because I'm way out of my depth. But do you see how people who aren't particularly well versed in international politics would think communism exists?
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I'll just shut up because I'm way out of my depth. But do you see how people who aren't particularly well versed in international politics would think communism exists?
Yeah, definitely. I personally don't mind if you ask questions like the previous, it's all a part of learning.
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Yes, of course. And China is always referred to as 'communist' by those who should - or more likely do - know better (media, politicians), so it's totally understandable. But there's absolutely nothing communist about China. Authortarian government of no particular ideology, and a wholly capitalist economy, simply continuing to give a shout out to 'communism' in it's branding (but you won't actually ever hear it from them), and it has in reality left no trace within their politics or economy for decades.
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Anyway, both Reagan and Thatcher are hugely complicated. Anyone who thinks either are above criticism clearly have absolutely no - zero - understanding of the pickle we're all in today, or in the case of Reagan/US, the pickle your politics are in today. And anyone who thinks they were wholly the spawn of Satan also need to do a bit of a re-read. At the very least, Thatcher did claw Britain out of the dark, and Reagan was, at the very least, a great figurehead and 'leader' for the US, certainly re-established a great confidence in 'America'. But their actual achievements in office, and legacy beyond - complicated.

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It's interesting though that in the US, Reagan is deified, almost untouchable, with the mythology waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the reality (and in such a short time), while in the UK, you can pretty much only whisper Thatchers name, and to be tagged as a fan, or worse, 'Thatcherite'... Excuse me sir, I think you should leave.
Yes, and David Cameron's Conservative Party is avowedly not Thatcherite.
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Charles Moore on Margaret Thatcher: Chapter 5 of 5 - Uncommon Knowledge - National Review Online
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Yeah, definitely. I personally don't mind if you ask questions like the previous, it's all a part of learning.
I have a fitting question for you.

The Hammers - The Hammers is the nickname of what English football team?
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West Ham. And... ?
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Coventry City won the FA Cup in what year? Che? Anyone? no, well I'm not surprised you didn't get it, it was in fact a trick question, Coventry City have never won the FA Cup.
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Socrates himself was permanently pissed...
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