Mandatory Health Insurance part 3

[Irvine511]

BCBS sure does seem to ration the care I get, and they're also my death panel.

But, hey, better than Barry O, amirite?

[BVS]

Free market death panels are all part of American Exceptionalism!

[maycocksean]

"Obamacare will do little to address two of the three major problems facing the U.S. healthcare system — holding down costs and boosting the quality of care for patients, according to a scathing article published in this week’s prestigious New England Journal of Medicine."

I was just making the same observation to my wife, as we deal with the huge medical costs involved with having our second child (due in just a few weeks!) even after insurance!

I think most members of this forum will agree with the above, INDY. Many on the left felt Obamacare was weak in it's final form.

We just happen to feel that going back to the previous status quo is no better. It's one step out of three in the right direction.

[maycocksean]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

BCBS sure does seem to ration the care I get, and they're also my death panel.

But, hey, better than Barry O, amirite?

I would love to hear INDY explain why insurance company bureaucrats rationing care and private death panels is better than the government version. How is the insurance company's profit motive better for the patient than the government "rationed-care"?

[deep]

The whole Obama care non approval thing is kind of bullshit.

If 40+ per cent support it. It does not mean the other 60 per cent are with the tea party patriots. Perhaps 30 % want no government involvement ay all.

And about 20-25 per cent want single payer type, they want for profit insurance companies out of the health care business, That is why they oppose Obama care. I am not crazy about this system, where profiteers have too much control. Where the same procedure can be billed and paid anywhere from $500 to $5000.

[INDY500]

Nothing spells freedom like 20,000+ pages -- and counting -- of Obamacare regulations. Written, not by elected legislators mind you, but by the bureaucratic Leviathan.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Ah yes, the power of a well staged photo op.

[corianderstem]

US health care isn't complicated at all. You should be able to write a bill to try and fix it in 20 pages or less.

[INDY500]

Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting ObamaCare provisions - The Hill's Healthwatch

04/17/13
Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said Wednesday he fears a "train wreck" as the Obama administration implements its signature healthcare law.

Harry Reid concerned about Obamacare implementation

05/02/13
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) expressed fresh concerns Wednesday about the implementation of the federal health care reform law, while a second congressional Democrat also chimed in with some worry.
Reid said he agrees with Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), one of the law’s chief architects, who has expressed concerns about potential problems with implementing some of the law’s key components. “Max said unless we implement this properly it’s going to be a train wreck, and I agree with him,” Reid said.
“So, we’re not spending enough money and we’re not implementing it properly, in your opinion?” Humphries asked Reid.
“Yes,” replied the Senate majority leader, adding: “We have the menu but we don’t have any way to get to the menu.”

Schumer: ObamaCare could raise premiums - The Hill's Healthwatch

The Senate's third-ranking Democrat said ObamaCare will contribute to rising health premiums unless regulators keep a close eye on insurers.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said the Affordable Care Act and rising healthcare costs could cause rates to go "through the roof." He added that the law will help curb cost growth in healthcare, and that insurance commissioners will play a serious role in protecting consumers from rate hikes.

And this is the Democratic leadership.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting ObamaCare provisions - The Hill's Healthwatch


Harry Reid concerned about Obamacare implementation

Schumer: ObamaCare could raise premiums - The Hill's Healthwatch


And this is the Democratic leadership.

Unless a home is built properly it WILL be a trainwreck.

Unless a surgery is implemented properly it WILL be worse than a trainwreck.

Unless discussions about the Affordable Care Act get implemented properly, they will be a trainwreck.

So once again you, Hannity, and Rush have proved nothing using these quotes except your contempt for this bill and this administration.

[INDY500]

IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office - ABC News

IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

Have I mentioned how wrong I've been about Obamacare, how I now see the Affordable Care Act as the historic, landmark piece of legislation that it is? How it will balance the budget and cure all illness and suffering in the country.
“Today we are affirming that essential truth, a truth every generation is called to rediscover for itself, that we are not a nation that scales back its aspirations.”

Yes, yes, yes !!! And by nation of course we mean government because "government is the only thing we all belong to."

Can the mods please delete all previous posts by INDY500 in this thread.

[BVS]

Sarah Hall Ingram is a George Bush appointee.

[INDY500]

So, back to my summer away from the internet returning for the implosion of our healthcare system (featuring the best actual health care in the world albeit with the worst payment system) in T-minus 3 months and counting.

[INDY500]

Oh what an interesting summer.

Big business got their exemption from Obamacare when the business mandate was delayed by one year. Not that there was any provision in the law to take such action but when did that stop this president?

Congress and staffers got their exemption when Obama decided to subsidize their Health Exchange premium. Not that there was any provision in the law to take such an action mind you.

Big Labor, a huge supporter of the law, is now bellyaching about the unintended consequences of Obamacare. Boo Hoo, they'll get their exemption before the first of the year however. Funny how political allies of the White house always get their waivers and exemptions in the end. It too will be illegal.

Large companies are dropping coverage, cutting hours and hiring part-time only.

Rates are skyrocketing.

Anyway, God bless Ted Cruz.

[AEON]

I'm not a fan of Obamacare. Another plan to make a different group of people rich. But I'm certainly not a fan of the way things were. I'm for 100% free health care - and within 15 years, we will have it.

What part of LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness do the Republican and Democratic parties not understand? Basic health is a RIGHT in a modern nation with the technical ability to do so. Anything else is just a lie to make people rich (watch how many commercials you see for prescription drugs during prime time TV - if you pay attention, it's scary).

Of course we hear, "well, who's going to pay for it" all the time. My answer - just add another zero in the excel spreadsheet at the Fed. Nobody seems to care anyway...If not that - then take the trillions of dollars back from bankers that spent the last 50 years raping the "commoners" for every ounce of their coin.

[Irvine511]

Ted Cruz only cares about Ted Cruz. I wish you the best of luck surviving this GOP civil war. If you'd like to change the law and kick children with preexisting conditions off insurance, try winning an election. Something tells me that slavishly following Ted Cruz isn't the best way to go about that.

(PS - rates aren't skyrocketing in states with the exchanges)

[AEON]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Ted Cruz only cares about Ted Cruz.

C'mon, Irvine - do you think ANY politician is different?

[digitize]

Originally Posted by AEON

Of course we hear, "well, who's going to pay for it" all the time. My answer - just add another zero in the excel spreadsheet at the Fed. Nobody seems to care anyway...If not that - then take the trillions of dollars back from bankers that spent the last 50 years raping the "commoners" for every ounce of their coin.

Depending on what economic theory I am buying into at the moment, I think that this is either a marvelous idea or an awful idea. It's certainly an interesting idea, and, for better or for worse, one prohibited by the Federal Reserve Act.

[U2DMfan]

Originally Posted by AEON

C'mon, Irvine - do you think ANY politician is different?

JMO. I'm one of the biggest bashers of politicians (in general) around here, both sides of the aisle and I would say there are varying degrees to how cynical there are.

Cruz is either not too bright (possible) or extremely, extremely cynical.

Being cynical would require knowledge that what he's doing is entirely political.

Cruz could be either. To me, he reminds me of a sleazy evangelist. Reciting stock phrases and such. I can't recall seeing him appear to reach deep and come up with something thoughtful. It's all bumper stickerisms. And creepy.

I'm going with extremely cynical.

Others believe more of what they're saying. And yet they ALL have ambition to stay in office. The kind of ego it takes to run for such office, through such a treacherous personal journey, makes that ambition implicit.

As Jessie Pinkman would say. Term limits, bitch.

[AEON]

Originally Posted by U2DMfan

Term limits, bitch.

Agreed - the only problem is how do you get these egomaniacs to vote themselves out of office, especially after so many companies paid good money to put them there?