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Old 11-05-2013, 09:22 PM   #21
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There actually is a brilliant male contraceptive in development right now that's called a reversible vasectomy. It's a polymer that's injected into the vas deferens that stays there permanently until flushed out. IIRC, in n a trial of 1000 men in India 100% of them had a live sperm count of zero, and when you are ready to reverse it, it only takes another single injection to flush the polymer. It only costs about 50 bucks. However, the very cheapness is the reason it's slow in development in the US. No one stands to make any money from it and a lot of pharma companies stand to lose, so no one wants to put any money behind it. Also the US did not accept the trials that were done in India so they had to start over from zero here and it will be another 10 years or so in development. Totally exciting and brilliant, isn't it?

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It sounds like it could be a $1000 procedure, and another $1000 to reverse it.
If it cost $100 it would be a $2000 procedure in the U. S.
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:04 PM   #23
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If you don't want to be a father, don't impregnate women. Really not that hard of a choice!
"But it's so hard not to trip and have my penis fall into her vagina, bro."
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"But it's so hard not to trip and have my penis fall into her vagina, bro."
Taking responsibility for one's actions - awesome!
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She told me she was only going to put it in half way.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:07 PM   #27
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It sounds like it could be a $1000 procedure, and another $1000 to reverse it.
If it cost $100 it would be a $2000 procedure in the U. S.
If it cost $100 dollars it would be FREE in Canada*.














*average wait time estimated to be 10-12 years (National Health Rationing Board of Canada)
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You keep telling yourself that we're all dying waiting for treatment here, INDY. Must be what you need to make yourself feel better about your insurance and out-of-pocket expenses for yourself and your family every year. I'm investing that money and it's paid off pretty well.
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I bet you've never even taken a step into Canada. Lets keep it that way
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I might be imagining things but I thought INDY posted a little while ago about how he came to Niagara Falls and then paid something like $12 for a hamburger and was amazed at the price.
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I might be imagining things but I thought INDY posted a little while ago about how he came to Niagara Falls and then paid something like $12 for a hamburger and was amazed at the price.
I must admit you have a very good memory. Yes, I cracked that between hotel, food and wine taxes I probably paid for the healthcare of at least 3 Canadians for the year. Pretty sure I also mentioned that how friendly and open everyone was. I enjoy the company of Canadians, I just wish a few of them had a better sense of humor.
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Born and bread in Ireland, lived and worked in Dublin, London, Sydney and Chicago. Now living and working in Toronto. I can confirm Canadians have a great sense of humor. I'm married to one. I'm also the father of 2 kids, soon to be three.

Perhaps the humorless Canadians you've encountered are those who live right next door to the US border?
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As for the article originally posted, impossible to equate a woman's right (or not) to become a mother with a guy's right (or not) to become a father. I'm sure most sane men will agree. If you don't want to be a dad, cover up, have a well oiled reverse gear and leave no man behind.

Where inequality exists is post birth. When I lived and worked in London, there used to be regular marches outside our office by a group called Fathers 4 Justice - website is We Are Fathers4Justice – The Official Campaign Organisation which fights for equal parenting rather than one that greatly favors women.
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Born and bread in Ireland, lived and worked in Dublin, London, Sydney and Chicago. Now living and working in Toronto. I can confirm Canadians have a great sense of humor. I'm married to one. I'm also the father of 2 kids, soon to be three.

Perhaps the humorless Canadians you've encountered are those who live right next door to the US border?
If Indy has a sense of humour, he certainly does his best not to show it around here. A bit like his sense of morality. He's just fishing.

Glad to hear you're enjoying Toronto. Lots of young Irish folk making the move here. My friend is getting married to one as a matter of fact
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As for the article originally posted, impossible to equate a woman's right (or not) to become a mother with a guy's right (or not) to become a father. I'm sure most sane men will agree. If you don't want to be a dad, cover up, have a well oiled reverse gear and leave no man behind.
Leave no man behind made me chuckle!

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Where inequality exists is post birth. When I lived and worked in London, there used to be regular marches outside our office by a group called Fathers 4 Justice - website is We Are Fathers4Justice – The Official Campaign Organisation which fights for equal parenting rather than one that greatly favors women.
I've heard a lot about fathers complaining about this. Many times the ex-wife manipulates the court into giving her sole custody, and then brainwashes the kids into thinking their father isn't good enough or doesn't really love them. My mom worked for a divorce lawyer and she heard so many horror stories. Even I heard them when I worked at the office one summer while in high school. And what's funny is that some of those women will be the type who will say what assholes men are, and yet those asshole men are trying to good fathers to their children. Go figure!
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If Indy has a sense of humour, he certainly does his best not to show it around here. A bit like his sense of morality. He's just fishing.

Glad to hear you're enjoying Toronto. Lots of young Irish folk making the move here. My friend is getting married to one as a matter of fact
I moved here close to 8 years ago. I love it here. May not be a great city for a tourist, but to live here (excluding our erstwhile mayor Mr. Ford), there really are very few places to compare.
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I've heard a lot about fathers complaining about this. Many times the ex-wife manipulates the court into giving her sole custody, and then brainwashes the kids into thinking their father isn't good enough or doesn't really love them. My mom worked for a divorce lawyer and she heard so many horror stories. Even I heard them when I worked at the office one summer while in high school. And what's funny is that some of those women will be the type who will say what assholes men are, and yet those asshole men are trying to good fathers to their children. Go figure!
Exactly - There are mothers out there who shouldn't be left in charge of boiling a kettle, never mind a child.

That the law so heavily favors the mother from the outset is wrong. It's based on antiquated thoughts - mother gives birth, stays at home with child while dad goes out and works and is somehow seen as a less loving distant figure. Many Dad's are awesome. That they are then punished and reduced to a weekend here or there, a every other Wednesday (if they are lucky) etc. is just wrong. That said, kids need stability - having them shuffled between two homes every week does not provide that.
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I've seen the opposite where I am. In the relationships I've seen the court favors the parent who is most aggressive about pressing for custody. Because men (again, where I am) often are more fully employed when the children are young they have more money to get good legal counsel, and because men are raised with greater social permission to press hard for a goal they are are more likely to press full custody even when there is no problem with the mother. Whatever those relationship factors are, the courts around here favor the most proactive litigant.

There are dads who are great and those ones usually get half custody where I am. Most custody arrangements are half time, and it takes someone being really aggressive in court to get anything other than that.
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I've seen the opposite where I am. In the relationships I've seen the court favors the parent who is most aggressive about pressing for custody. Because men (again, where I am) often are more fully employed when the children are young they have more money to get good legal counsel, and because men are raised with greater social permission to press hard for a goal they are are more likely to press full custody even when there is no problem with the mother. Whatever those relationship factors are, the courts around here favor the most proactive litigant.

There are dads who are great and those ones usually get half custody where I am. Most custody arrangements are half time, and it takes someone being really aggressive in court to get anything other than that.
First off, there are many cases where the father fought tooth and nail to see his kids more often, but many courts do favor the mother. I don't know where you live but what happens there is not always the norm for the rest of the world.

Also, I've known quite a few aggressive women in my life. Whether at school, work or just my personal life, I've met plenty of women who weren't afraid to go after what they wanted. I just don't buy into the belief that women in general are whispering mouses and are afraid to assert themselves.

I also don't think that having women socialized as being meek is an excuse for when anything doesn't work out for us. I've also known some women who pull that whole "woe is me, I'm passive because society says I should be". Sorry, but no. That is victimization, not socialization.
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