Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the General Assembly

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by anitram

The mullahs may hate Bush & America as much as Ahmadinejad does - I have no way of knowing that. But they also know that this isn't the 50s or the 70s, and pragmatism and practicality are holding them back from making equivalent caustic statements or behaving in equally belligerent ways as he does.

We don't know if the Ayatollah or how many of the mullahs share Ahmadinejad's apocalyptic wish to see the return of the Twelfth Imam.

As for laying low, only in that they set up Hezbollah, Hamas and Syrian groups to do their dirty work while giving Iran the cover of plausible deniability.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Is there any reason to believe his public words do not echo the private words of the mullahs?

Are you willing to apply this kind of logic to all "leaders"?

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Are you willing to apply this kind of logic to all "leaders"?

Like who?

[Zoomerang96]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

and this vile little man has given more press conferences than the nominee for Vice President.

welcome to John McCain's America.

more press conferences IN america, no less.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Like who?

Is Obama going to speak for you when he's elected?

[INDY500]

Iranians mock Holocaust on annual Jerusalem Day Sep 26

Iranians chanted "Death to Israel" on Friday as Islamist students unveiled a book mocking the Holocaust in an Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day annual parade to show solidarity with the Palestinians.
And in Gaza City, the Islamist Hamas movement that has ruled the impoverished Palestinian territory since June 2007 marked the day by calling for more suicide attacks on Israel.

Iran does not recognise the Jewish state, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has attracted international condemnation by repeatedly predicting Israel is doomed to disappear and branding the Holocaust a "myth."

On Friday, tens of thousands of Iranians marched in Tehran, chanting "Death to Israel," declaring solidarity with the Palestinians and calling for Jerusalem and Israel to be handed to the Palestinians.

Demonstrators carried placards bearing slogans including "Israel will be destroyed, Palestine is Victorious" and "Holy war until victory," and they also torched American and Israeli flags.

Friday's Iran protest follows a fresh verbal attack on Israel by Ahmadinejad.

In an address to the UN General Assembly in New York on Tuesday, he said "the Zionist regime is on a definite slope to collapse and there is no way for it to get out of the cesspool created by itself and its supporters."

The demonstration was held under an official slogan: "The Islamic world will not recognise the fake Zionist regime under any circumstances and believes that this cancerous tumour will one day be wiped off the face of the earth."

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[Irvine511]

^ awful.

what else do you want us to say? NO ONE likes the Iranian government. or do we have to moan like a Greek chorus at their every move?

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Is Obama going to speak for you when he's elected?

He may not be speaking for me personally, anymore than Bush speaks for me personally, but in matters of foreign relations, when speaking to the U.N. General Assembly, he will be speaking for the United States of America.
Our president is not a figurehead.

[BVS]

But when one hears Bush speak they can assume his words reflect the private thoughts of ALL Americans... at least according to your logic.

[purpleoscar]

Originally Posted by financeguy

Purple Oscar, do you speak Arabic?

I'm trusting the subtitles. Why? Is he saying "I love Israel!? I kiss America!?"

[financeguy]

That old canard about wiping Israel off the map has been debunked so many times as a mis-translation of what Ahmadinejad really said – which was something more akin to predicting that Israel would be washed away by the tides of history and demography – yet it keeps bouncing right back. Just like all the other lies spread far and wide by the War Party's propagandists. Remember that one about Mohammed Atta meeting a top Iraqi intelligence official at the Prague airport? That one didn't die until well after the invasion. I wonder how many people still believe Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks? A lie, repeated relentlessly, becomes enmeshed in the public consciousness, and rooting it out is a major operation, with a problematic success rate.

That's what we do, here at Antiwar.com – root out the lies, and set the record straight. We did it in the run-up to the last war, and we're doing the same thing when it comes to the Iranian issue. The chances that we'll succeed, this time, in stopping the rush to war are better now, perhaps, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. The forces pushing for war, led by the Israel lobby, are marshalling their supporters for a final push. Even if they don't pull it off before the election, the Holbrooke-Woolsey Pact will go down in history as the turning point, politically, the crucial juncture when the American elite made the decision to go to war because the Lobby demanded it.

Iran: And the Beat Goes On- by Justin Raimondo

[deep]

Originally Posted by financeguy

That old canard about wiping Israel off the map has been debunked so many times as a mis-translation of what Ahmadinejad really said

This is a link to the American translator for Ahmadinejad



Hooman Majd, Considering The Iranian 'Paradox' : NPR

skip to about 11 minutes to hear what Ahmadinejad really said



why bother to get correct information,

when misinformation is quoted for truth

all the fuckin' time?

[VintagePunk]

Originally Posted by financeguy

Iran: And the Beat Goes On- by Justin Raimondo

Originally Posted by deep

This is a link to the American translator for Ahmadinejad



Hooman Majd, Considering The Iranian 'Paradox' : NPR

skip to about 11 minutes to hear what Ahmadinejad really said



why bother to get correct information,

when misinformation is quoted for truth

all the fuckin' time?

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

[financeguy]

Ahmadinejad accepts Israel's right to existThe Iranian president has said he would accept a two-state solution if the Palestinians agree. So where are the headlines?

President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has made a remarkable announcement. He's admitted that Iran might agree to the existence of the state of Israel.

Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?"

This was his astonishing reply:

If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums.

Peter Tatchell: Ahmadinejad accepts Israel's right to exist | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

[Diemen]

But, but... that doesn't fit in with the West's caricature of Ahmadinejad as the next Hitler!

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by AchtungBono

There he stood.....the small man with the big mouth.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the madman of Tehran, stood at the podium of the general assembly and once again spouted his anti-Israel, anti-west, anti-Jewish, anti-human, venom.

Like Adolf Hitler in his day, his voice echoed through the assembly hall and his speech was full of rhetoric and hate and, like Hitler, he mesmorized most of his audience who responded with applause.

Like Hitler, he of course blamed all the world's troubles (particularly the present economic crisis) on the Jews who "control the world's economy".

Like Hitler, he stood there with no one to oppose him and no one telling him that he's going too far and that hatred will lead him nowhere, and not to blame other people for his own inadequacies.

Just like Hitler envisioned the destruction of all the Jewish population in Europe (eventually murdering 6 million), so the little man with the big mouth envisions the destruction of the state of Israel (population 7 million)

Just like Hitler had the SS and Gestapo to torture, maim and kill for him, so Ahmadinejad has Hezbollah to spread terror and destruction around the world, killing thousands of innocent people.

Just like Hitler had an unholy alliance with Benito Mussolini in fascist Italy, so Ahmadinejad has his good friend Hugo Chavez in Venezuela - another dictator who spares no words when it comes to bashing the west (and especially the U.S.A).

Just like Hitler, he is leading his country to ruin and isolation by his own actions.


.......however, UNLIKE in Hitler's time.....there is a state of Israel which can (and will) protect itself against any threat of destruction and his delusions of Israel's destruction will blow up right in his face.

Peace to all of you,
Elaine

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

[purpleoscar]

"If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums."

That's a big if guys. Hamas is in power. He would have to disagree with Hamas first before he would be in line with the west's attitude of Israel's right to exist.

[A_Wanderer]

So when all of Palestine is liberated it will be up to the rightful Islamic leaders to decide if the Zionists (not the Zionist Entity, which will be wiped from the pages of time) are allowed to stay.

[purpleoscar]

It's an offer you can't refuse.