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Old 08-30-2014, 10:45 AM   #141
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Context matters.
Can an African-American be called a "thug?" without it being considered a racist term?
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:20 PM   #142
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Can an African-American be called a "thug?" without it being considered a racist term?
As I said, context matters. There's a gulf of a difference between labeling someone a thug who repeatedly engages in violent and deadly behavior with wanton disregard for human life and affixing the label of thug to a teenager with no criminal record who happens to like gangsta rap and shoplifted and pushed a clerk out of his way.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:24 AM   #143
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a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
Thug | Define Thug at Dictionary.com

I know we like continuously redefine things - but I use the word thug based on this definition. Michael Brown was a bully and a thief.

Now, that being said, these ISIS men are far, far worse than Michael Brown. I was not comparing them with each other - only pointing out the use of the word thug, which I found a bit funny considering the flack I've received using it.
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The important qualifiers to that definition are "cruel or vicious," neither of which really apply to the act of shoplifting and pushing a clerk out of the way to get away.

I think you can admit that by that definition, the term applies much better to Hamas militants than to an unarmed teenager.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:43 AM   #145
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The important qualifiers to that definition are "cruel or vicious," neither of which really apply to the act of shoplifting and pushing a clerk out of the way to get away.

I think you can admit that by that definition, the term applies much better to Hamas militants than to an unarmed teenager.

Michael Brown did seem cruel and he didn't merely push the clerk out of the way. Please watch the surveillance video again. Anyway, that is my assessment and I think it's valid.

Anyway, I tend to think of men in Hamas and ISIS differently - more as barbarians (meaning uncivilized) than thugs. They are like thugs on ideological steroids.
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I find it very sad that people on the right have made people on the left often immune to the crimes of Hamas because people on the right won't criticize Israel and people on the left feel they have to default to the other side just to try to move the conversation back to somewhere reasonable.
I think this is true on just about every major news story. And I agree - it is very sad.
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What is true on just about every major news story?
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What is true on just about every major news story?
- that people on one side of an issue often make the other side "immune" because of the nature of their stance. This leaves of us with the two sides entrenched in "all or nothing" style debates.
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Please watch the surveillance video again.


I think we should chalk this up to an agree to disagree situation.
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- that people on one side of an issue often make the other side "immune" because of the nature of their stance. This leaves of us with the two sides entrenched in "all or nothing" style debates.

I am not sure I agree because I think a lot of political issues are simply right vs. wrong.
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I think we should chalk this up to an agree to disagree situation.
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Anyway, I tend to think of men in Hamas and ISIS differently - more as barbarians (meaning uncivilized) than thugs. They are like thugs on ideological steroids.
I think Isis and Hamas are very different.
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"During the war in Gaza, a smartphone game that invited players to 'Bomb Gaza' was taken down by Google from its Play Store after a public backlash. Canadian filmmaker John Greyson decided to respond to the game, using the idea to put the Gaza bombing into context for Canadians. He produced a video that looks like the game and imposes the map of Gaza over the city of Toronto to show what a bombing campaign would look like in North America: Gazonto"

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Israeli soldiers from elite wire-tapping unit refuse to use 'extortion', 'blackmail' on Palestinians - ABC News

Israel is a morally bankrupt country
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(Reuters) - The United States expressed concern on Wednesday about reports that Israel had moved forward plans for settlements in East Jerusalem, warning the move would call into question Israel's commitment to peace with the Palestinians.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the step would also send a "troubling message" if the Israeli government proceeded with tenders and construction.

"This development will only draw condemnation from the international community, distance Israel from even its closest allies, poison the atmosphere not only with the Palestinians but also with the very Arab governments with which Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu said he wanted to build relations," Psaki told a briefing.

In addition, it would "call into question Israel's ultimate commitment to a peaceful negotiated settlement," she added.

(Reporting by Lesley Wroughton; Editing by Peter Cooney)
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Netanyahu after U.S. criticism: Jerusalem construction ‘not settlements’ — JNS.org

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The Orthodox Union (OU) on Thursday said it rejects the "harsh statements by the Obama administration" on Israeli construction.

"First, [the administration's statements] suggest that the onus for the peace process impasse is upon Israel, when in fact it is decades of Palestinian and Arab rejectionism and incitement (such as that voiced by Palestinian President Abbas at the U.N. General Assembly last week) that 'poisons the atmosphere' for peace," said Nathan Diament, the OU's executive director for public policy. "Israel has demonstrated its interest in peace, not merely through words but through deeds, time and again."

"Second, suggesting that Jews residing in neighborhoods of Jerusalem—the historic capital of Israel and the Jewish people—is 'provocative' is offensive," Diament continued. "It is also fundamentally at odds with the notion that differences over Jerusalem are to be resolved in negotiations. ... Finally, the implied threat that Jewish residence in Jerusalem will 'distance Israel from even its closest allis'—i.e.: the United States—is a resort to rhetoric which is entirely unacceptable."
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