Is Palin failin' ? or OMG McCain wins with Palin !! pt. 4

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You know I have it (insurance). I won't go into specifics. But it seems like I live & work to pay for health insurance. But I guess they don't have this issue in Canada.

Utoo - what's is like to be a rich elitist? Please tell! :wink:
 
you know what's awesome about insurance? even insured people can still go broke covering their medical bills!

even if you can afford your premiums, there are still costs. and not everything is covered. and even if it is covered, you still have to cover something, so maybe you don't get that $20,000 bill from your week long hospitalization, but you still have to shell out $2-3K. and for some, that's a lot of money.

you know what else is hilarious? the difference between what the insurance company says, say, a blood test should cost, and how much it actually costs, and even though you have to pay what it actually costs, your insurance only puts the amount it thinks it should cost towards your deductible! isn't that awesome?

and say you were a formerly very healthy person who had an injury or illness. you can easily watch them inch up your premiums by $600 in just under 15 months!

yeah insurance!

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I was about to post my insurance details, but didn't at first.
Now... I get to pay close to $10,000 a year for a family of 3. Then, I have to meet the $2500 deductible (per person) and then the $500 (per person) for medicine. So after paying about $13,000, I get some sort of coverage/benefit. And I've easily met my deductible & medicine coverage for the last 2 years (within the first 3 months of the year), and will continue to do so, do to testing & maintaining my health. In 2007, I had 4 days of special lab testing that ended up costing $2800. And gee, I only had to come up with $1700 of :happy:

And no, there's no way to "save up" and put $2500 ("spare dollars") aside to cover my initial outlay for medical bills for future years. Yeah, I'd prefer taking a vacation over getting a colonoscopy, but I don't have that luxury. :grumpy:
 
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I was about to post my insurance details, but didn't at first.
Now... I get to pay close to $10,000 a year for a family of 3. Then, I have to meet the $2500 deductible (per person) and then the $500 (per person) for medicine. So after paying about $13,000, I get some sort of coverage/benefit. And I've easily met my deductible & medicine coverage for the last 2 years (within the first 3 months of the year), and will continue to do so, do to testing & maintaining my health. In 2007, I had 4 days of special lab testing that ended up costing $2800. And gee, I only had to come up with $1700 of :happy:

And no, there's no way to "save up" and put $2500 ("spare dollars") aside to cover my initial outlay for medical bills for future years. Yeah, I'd prefer taking a vacation over getting a colonoscopy, but I don't have that luxury. :grumpy:



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my problems are but a whisper of yours.

but i do understand, now, how people with insurance get screwed. i'm lucky in that i'm more or less a DINK -- double income, no kids -- and we both do pretty well. i also live pretty simply (no car) and have always been reasonably frugal.

so i'm lucky. i can't imagine what it would be like with 3 kids to take care of.
 
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I was about to post my insurance details, but didn't at first.
Now... I get to pay close to $10,000 a year for a family of 3. Then, I have to meet the $2500 deductible (per person) and then the $500 (per person) for medicine. So after paying about $13,000, I get some sort of coverage/benefit. And I've easily met my deductible & medicine coverage for the last 2 years (within the first 3 months of the year), and will continue to do so, do to testing & maintaining my health. In 2007, I had 4 days of special lab testing that ended up costing $2800. And gee, I only had to come up with $1700 of :happy:

And no, there's no way to "save up" and put $2500 ("spare dollars") aside to cover my initial outlay for medical bills for future years. Yeah, I'd prefer taking a vacation over getting a colonoscopy, but I don't have that luxury. :grumpy:


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My massages will be for free, don't worry. :sexywink:
 
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My massages will be for free, don't worry. :sexywink:

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Irvine - I don't have 3 kids. Just an older husband and teen-age daughter. :)And we've always lived frugally as well. So... But ailments creep up as you get older. And as you've attested to, insurance sure comes in handy when something major does come along, such as your health scare last year. Hubby was in ICU overnight many years ago (brain bleed) when Maddy was very young & had several tests done. That bill, like you said, was about $20,000, and thankfully the insurance sure paid for itself that year. I think out of pocket was maybe $800-$1000. :hug:


So um yeah, BoMac, what time can you be here? :sexywink:
 
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purpleoscar, it is astounding to me that you can't stomach the idea of redistribution when you are benefitting from exactly that out there in Alberta. The rest of your citizens in this country aren't on a socialist program like that.

Did you give away your profit sharing cheque? Did every Albertan EARN that or are some unemployed bums also benefiting from several hundred dollars a year of free money?

Interestingly, same situation in Alaska. But I guess when it's your butt that benefits, then that's not socialism.
 
Lila64, you know there is a simple solution for you. You and your husband just need more education. You can shell out $150K to get a law degree from a respectable school and your husband can maybe shell out $200K for an MD, and then in like 10 years you'll be rich like the rest of us and won't have to be envious anymore of our 7 cars and multiple vacations per year.

Now it might be a little tough to feed yourselves in the interim, but this can easily be solved by kicking out all the illegal immigrants and going to pick lettuce in the desert for $50/hr like McCain says. Your back might hurt a bit at first but just think of the tan you'll get.

Your daughter is young and has nimble hands, surely she can go gather berries?
 
Lila64, you know there is a simple solution for you. You and your husband just need more education. You can shell out $150K to get a law degree from a respectable school and your husband can maybe shell out $200K for an MD, and then in like 10 years you'll be rich like the rest of us and won't have to be envious anymore of our 7 cars and multiple vacations per year.

Now it might be a little tough to feed yourselves in the interim, but this can easily be solved by kicking out all the illegal immigrants and going to pick lettuce in the desert for $50/hr like McCain says. Your back might hurt a bit at first but just think of the tan you'll get.

Your daughter is young and has nimble hands, surely she can go gather berries?


:doh: I was too stoopid to think of that. :doh:

Wait, I can go to the fields and pick fruits & vegetables for $50 an hour? Or was that a day/week? :wink: My delicate turkey-white skin probably couldn't handle it. I'd get sunburned, and then not be able to afford a visit to the emergency room, not to mention the day-long wait of getting to be seen.

By the time we'd get all that schoolin', it'd be time to retire. Oh wait, I'll have to be working another 30+ years because there won't be any social security left, right? Nor the money to pay for that high-fallutin' edumacation.
 
:doh: I was too stoopid to think of that. :doh:

Wait, I can go to the fields and pick fruits & vegetables for $50 an hour? Or was that a day/week? :wink: My delicate turkey-white skin probably couldn't handle it. I'd get sunburned, and then not be able to afford a visit to the emergency room, not to mention the day-long wait of getting to be seen.

By the time we'd get all that schoolin', it'd be time to retire. Oh wait, I'll have to be working another 30+ years because there won't be any social security left, right? Nor the money to pay for that high-fallutin' edumacation.


Lazy folks, always looking for excuses. Like every poor person. :tsk:
 
I hear stuff like this, and I want to choke a bitch whenever I hear people complaining about "socialist medicine" in Canada, and how it's so much better in the US, they don't have the waits we do, etc.

I've watched my mom go through a shitload of health problems in the past 8 years, including a couple of surgeries, several hospital stays beyond that, more testing than I can even recall, myriad visits to specialists, very regular monitoring by her GP (sometimes weekly office visits, sometimes monthly, depending on the situation)....and it's all been free, and NONE of the waits have been unreasonably long. Also, we're in an underserviced area. I can't imagine that our situation is unique, and that we've somehow just gotten lucky for 8 years.

Lila, I'm truly sorry for what you're going through. :hug: When people talk about Canadian health care as if it's substandard, don't believe it. They're spreading lies of socialism and inefficiency that simply are not true. Americans deserve the care that we have, and I cannot fathom how an otherwise civilized nation could make its citizens jump through hoops for health care the way the US does.
 
Thank you martha :love: I had no idea what to say there.

By the way, I can't tell you the last time I had a vacation. I have two cars. Yeah, the 20 year old car sits in the driveway waiting for me to come up with $1000+ in repair work, not to mention the $600 in new tires I put on it a week before it decided to break down further. I have a 10 year old car, that, knock on wood, keeps running while I pay off the $1600 in repairs I've put into it in the course of the last 4 months. And creditcard debt? Yeah, I pay it off every month, so I don't have any. And sell my house? Yeah, now there's a solution. Maybe I should go live in bumfuk Iowa. Is that your solution? Maybe I should mention my medical bills too? And the thousands upon thousands of dollars I have to shell out?

Oh, and electronics? Um, yeah, I got an ipod about 2-3 years ago as a birthday present. I can't think of the last electronic thing we've purchased. And no, I don't buy DVDs or go to the movies or go on short trips. So you telling me to spend less on my necessities? :angry:

Piss off.

I don't know what to say. There's no magic bullet. Get a student loan. I wish taxpayers would say "piss off" more often.:up:
 
I hear stuff like this, and I want to choke a bitch whenever I hear people complaining about "socialist medicine" in Canada, and how it's so much better in the US, they don't have the waits we do, etc.

I've watched my mom go through a shitload of health problems in the past 8 years, including a couple of surgeries, several hospital stays beyond that, more testing than I can even recall, myriad visits to specialists, very regular monitoring by her GP (sometimes weekly office visits, sometimes monthly, depending on the situation)....and it's all been free, and NONE of the waits have been unreasonably long. Also, we're in an underserviced area. I can't imagine that our situation is unique, and that we've somehow just gotten lucky for 8 years.

Lila, I'm truly sorry for what you're going through. :hug: When people talk about Canadian health care as if it's substandard, don't believe it. They're spreading lies of socialism and inefficiency that simply are not true. Americans deserve the care that we have, and I cannot fathom how an otherwise civilized nation could make its citizens jump through hoops for health care the way the US does.

http://www.u2interference.com/forum...ms-around-the-world-which-is-best-190130.html

There's other countries with different systems than just Canada that seem to get better results. Hopefully governments won't just look at U.S. vs. Canada.
 
Yeah, so you took a student loan when you had a family to support? Really?

What's the cost of education in the US compared to your socialist degree? Ever check?

And how are you enjoying your socialist Alberta cheques?
 
Yeah, so you took a student loan when you had a family to support? Really?

What's the cost of education in the US compared to your socialist degree? Ever check?

And how are you enjoying your socialist Alberta cheques?

Lots of people support a family and get a student loan. It's stressful but it's worth it. You don't have to study to be a doctor. There must be options out there. If a person can't work because of illness isn't there government sponsored healthcare? I thought there was Medicaid for the poor and Medicare for the elderly.

BTW those Alberta cheques are paid by the province and the resource is owned by the province "meaning the people" and you could not possibly live off those cheques that aren't even that regular. Only when the prices are high do they kick in and they help with winter heating bills at best. Doesn't Alaska have something similar?

Our socialist healthcare system has HUGE lineups. I know, and my mom had Alzheimer's disease and we took care of her at home because she would get abuse and neglect in institutions. I've delayed all kinds of plans for my life to help. I think looking at European countries is more a solution than just going all the way with the Canadian system. The canadian system only looks good when you're not sick.
 
Lots of people support a family and get a student loan.


You are fucking unreal. Lila talks about her serious health problems, debt due to them, economic problems, and your stupid fucking answer is "Get a student loan."

You are ridiculous and should be ignored by everyone in here. You have no sense of what's real and what isn't.
 
BTW those Alberta cheques are paid by the province and the resource is owned by the province "meaning the people" and you could not possibly live off those cheques that aren't even that regular. Only when the prices are high do they kick in and they help with winter heating bills at best. Doesn't Alaska have something similar?

Yes, Alaska gives out some $2-3K per resident. Socialist support. This is the definition of the redistribution of wealth. I am surprised you didn't immediately tear your cheque up in protest.

And not only do I think you're uninformed, I think it's extremely presumptuous and rude to be telling people how to live their lives without one iota of understanding of what it takes or their personal situations. I'm not saying that it surprises me, but it's obnoxious nevertheless.
 
The canadian system only looks good when you're not sick.

Um...

I hear stuff like this, and I want to choke a bitch whenever I hear people complaining about "socialist medicine" in Canada, and how it's so much better in the US, they don't have the waits we do, etc.

I've watched my mom go through a shitload of health problems in the past 8 years, including a couple of surgeries, several hospital stays beyond that, more testing than I can even recall, myriad visits to specialists, very regular monitoring by her GP (sometimes weekly office visits, sometimes monthly, depending on the situation)....and it's all been free, and NONE of the waits have been unreasonably long. Also, we're in an underserviced area. I can't imagine that our situation is unique, and that we've somehow just gotten lucky for 8 years.

Lila, I'm truly sorry for what you're going through. :hug: When people talk about Canadian health care as if it's substandard, don't believe it. They're spreading lies of socialism and inefficiency that simply are not true. Americans deserve the care that we have, and I cannot fathom how an otherwise civilized nation could make its citizens jump through hoops for health care the way the US does.

So by your reasoning, my mom should be 6 feet under by now, rather than having received really good and timely care that's improved her health and extended her life.

Ridiculous.
 
Yes, Alaska gives out some $2-3K per resident. Socialist support. This is the definition of the redistribution of wealth. I am surprised you didn't immediately tear your cheque up in protest.

And not only do I think you're uninformed, I think it's extremely presumptuous and rude to be telling people how to live their lives without one iota of understanding of what it takes or their personal situations. I'm not saying that it surprises me, but it's obnoxious nevertheless.

Yeah we don't get 2-3K per resident, but since it's owned by the people I don't have a problem with that. Royalties owned by the people is technically not redistributionism.

The person responding to my post on saving money didn't want to hear it but it actually was more compassionate than saying the Canadian system is so much better than the U.S. system but then I would be telling a lie. Now we have stories today that syringes have been reused in Alberta in order to save money. Now hundreds of people have to get tested for hepetitis and HIV.

There is no perfect health care system that I know of. Thinking that Obama will save the day is also putting expectations I don't think he can meet.

The problem is not that we have redistributionism per se but a lot of the promises of what it would deliver never really happened. The war on poverty didn't eradicate poverty. Americans thinking they will get the equivalent care that is expected in the U.S under a single payer system will be disappointed.

I know I would be more popular on this board if I just agreed with everyone and said the government should pay for this and that and McCain stinks and Palin is hick but that would be a boring conversation.
 
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