Really, I can almost guarantee you that the people mocking free speech advocates are the only ones not getting this
Oh I'm pretty sure your President has no clue.
Really, I can almost guarantee you that the people mocking free speech advocates are the only ones not getting this
Really?! You think the ones "mocking" Milo are the ones not getting it?
Oh I'm pretty sure your President has no clue.
It appears that, if they believe the argument is that a n y o n e is complaining about Milo's governmental right to free speech is being violated, that they don't get the argument - yes.
I'm willing to discuss this further with you, because I think you're a smart guy, but only if we're going to have a civil, adult back-and-forth, here.
See, this is why I tend to think you guys aren't so hot at reading comprehension.
I've been quite vocal on this board re: "fuck Trump." I did not vote for Trump. I protested Trump long before it became en vogue to do so. I haven't hidden my disdain from Trump in FYM at all, and I'm quite certain you've been involved in those conversations to some degree or another. Yet, your mind seems unable to handle a break in the narrative that says "anyone who thinks a social contract ensuring one another's free speech may be useful must wanna MAGA it up! Don't have to think to hard about that, now! *phew*"
Pay attention, please.
This is your response to "Oh I don't think that your President has a clue" (in regards to what constitutes free speech) and WE have trouble with reading comprehension?
OK.
I'm pretty sure there's an entire swath of people who are crying about Milo's free speech that don't understand that peaceful protest, cancelling speaking events and book deals are indeed part of the free speech equation.
You know, I forgot you're living in Canada for a moment. Coming from an American, "your president" clearly implies that I support the man while you deride him.
If that wasn't your point, and instead you chose that word to simply mean this country's president, I sincerely apologize for misunderstanding you and jumping to a conclusion. It isn't unusual for me to be accused of supporting Trump (or apparently pedophilia, now haha) in FYM, so I may have jumped the gun.
Yes, despite having lived and worked in the US (NYC to be specific) I am a dual citizen of Canada and the EU and therefore he is not and never will be my president.
But do you think that they think the government should have a hand in preventing this?
I guarantee you that the vast majority don't. Those who do shouldn't be listened to - they're missing the point, too.
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I have enough faith in society to believe that, in an open marketplace of ideas, the good will rise to the top while the bad are embarrassed and destroyed.
But do you think that they think the government should have a hand in preventing this?
I guarantee you that the vast majority don't. Those who do shouldn't be listened to - they're missing the point, too.
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Maybe you will complain about my reading comprehension too, but I have no idea how any of what you posted before is linked to this. Or at least not how any of us were supposed to make this connection.The government has no role in saving Milo's book deal or saving him from censorship.
But when that SNL writer made some joke about Barron Trump and got canned, I fumed. I don't want to live in a society where, instead of combatting bad ideas with good ideas, or first mode of recourse is to attempt to silence the bad ideas.
I have enough faith in society to believe that, in an open marketplace of ideas, the good will rise to the top while the bad are embarrassed and destroyed.
I have no desire for the government gets involved. The government clearly believes in free speech. When I complain about a lack of support for free speech, I'm simply asking the society to believe in the power of it, too.
The government has no role in saving Milo's book deal or saving him from censorship.
But when that SNL writer made some joke about Barron Trump and got canned, I fumed. I don't want to live in a society where, instead of combatting bad ideas with good ideas, or first mode of recourse is to attempt to silence the bad ideas.
I have enough faith in society to believe that, in an open marketplace of ideas, the good will rise to the top while the bad are embarrassed and destroyed.
I have no desire for the government gets involved. The government clearly believes in free speech. When I complain about a lack of support for free speech, I'm simply asking the society to believe in the power of it, too.
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Thoughtful rebuttal: achieved. You've proven to me that you're quite likely to get things. I'm in awe. No more doubt from me, Headache - this has proven you to clearly be my intellectual superior
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Nobody's free speech is being curtailed. This is an insane conversation. Yanninopoloussy can and does say whatever he wants, including encouraging his troll followers to destroy people's lives. That doesn't mean he is immune from the consequences of his words. His employer and publisher have the right to not work with an apologist for pedophilia. If only they were as concerned about Islamophobia, transphobia, misogyny, racism, and so on.
this failure is evidence of hypocrisy on "the Left" -- along the lines of "these people who say they're for tolerance sure aren't tolerating my racism and transphobia."
yes, that's their legal free speech. that said, it flies in the face of the principles underlying why we want free speech.
There are people who do not deserve platforms and they do not have a right to those platforms. If we can't agree on that, then I do not know what we are doing here.
Milo has ever right to say whatever he wants, and we have every right to tell him to shut the fuck up and/or to protest those who will give him a soapbox to stand on. That's kinda how this thing works.
The right to say what you want does not come without consequence, and a global platform to spew your hateful shit is not protected by societal free speech.
Milo has ever right to say whatever he wants, and we have every right to tell him to shut the fuck up and/or to protest those who will give him a soapbox to stand on. That's kinda how this thing works.
The right to say what you want does not come without consequence, and a global platform to spew your hateful shit is not protected by the Constitution.