Is Offensive Political Violence Ever Justified?

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Good. Nicely done.

I'm dying to debate someone on this


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[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

in the end, it's a reminder that free speech is not without it's consequences. if you're going to spew hateful shit, somebody might just punch you in the face.

This. I mean, I don't think it was OK to do it either, but no one should be surprised that it happened.

Originally Posted by corianderstem

"black clad protesters wearing masks"? Sounds like those "Black Bloc" assholes who call themselves "anarchists," show up to a protest and start shit, while the protesters just want to protest peacefully.

Signed, Seattle resident who has seen what happens when these chuckleheads show up to "protest"

Hate this shit, I really do. I'm glad so many protests lately have gone well, but no number of successfully peaceful protests can make up for the damage done by one bad one.

What I can't condone is the jacket and sunglasses that guy is wearing in the video halfway down the page, holy shit.

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Good. Nicely done.

What exactly about this makes you so happy?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

I'm dying to debate someone on this


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And are you thinking someone in here is going to justify this?

[Caleb8844]

The post I just quoted justified that

So...yes, I suppose I think someone in here will justify it, unless I am somehow dramatically misinterpreting Vlad


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

The post I just quoted justified that

So...yes, I suppose I think someone in here will justify it, unless I am somehow dramatically misinterpreting Vlad


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Maybe, I'm not sure how serious he was

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by BVS

Maybe, I'm not sure how serious he was

Based on post history, I took him seriously.

[Vlad n U 2]

I'll clarify, I was happy about the Yiannopoulos shitshow being cancelled - not necessarily the damage.

Originally Posted by bono_212

What exactly about this makes you so happy?

I oppose the far right.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

I'll clarify, I was happy about the Yiannopoulos shitshow being cancelled - not necessarily the damage.



I oppose the far right.

Right, but as the original post in this thread was arguing, how do the ends justify the means in cases like this?

[Caleb8844]

New question:

Will Milo Yiannopolous be more popular or less popular after this riot than he was before?

There is an objectively right answer.


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[bloodysunday972]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Good. Nicely done.

So its OK to disrupt when its the opposite side? So much for the first amendment.

[Vlad n U 2]

UC warns campus group: Yiannopoulos event could target students - SFGate

I wanted to add that Yiannopoulos is prone to targeting vulnerable individuals during his university showings, likely putting their livelihoods in danger via his supporters. I think that justifies shutting him down.

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Right, but as the original post in this thread was arguing, how do the ends justify the means in cases like this?

See my post prior to this one. He's a man known for attacking and denigrating vulnerable people, it's in the best interest to limit his platform, make him second guess his actions if possible.

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

New question:

Will Milo Yiannopolous be more popular or less popular after this riot than he was before?

There is an objectively right answer.


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I don't think the answer is as simple as you think. Do you think Richard Spencer is more popular after having been punched twice?

Originally Posted by bloodysunday972

So its OK to disrupt when its the opposite side? So much for the first amendment.

I don't care for the far right.

[bloodysunday972]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

UC warns campus group: Yiannopoulos event could target students - SFGate

I wanted to add that Yiannopoulos is prone to targeting vulnerable individuals during his university showings, likely putting their livelihoods in danger via his supporters. I think that justifies shutting him down.

Milo is a gay European who's partner is black. He rails against the dangers of Sharia and the left.

Actually most events I've seen footage of Milo it was the left being the violent ones not the supporters. Also Milo has tried to engage liberal audience members who interupt him and in the end they look like idiots because they can't engage with him so they just walk out, flip him the bird etc.

[bloodysunday972]

Vlad


The first amendment is for everyone....When you try to shut that down that my friend is called Fascism....Something the left seems really keen on calling Trump & his supporters.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

See my post prior to this one. He's a man known for attacking and denigrating vulnerable people, it's in the best interest to limit his platform, make him second guess his actions if possible.

But doing so in a destructive manner hurts peaceful protestors causes. Would you not agree?

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by bloodysunday972

Milo is a gay European who's partner is black. He rails against the dangers of Sharia and the left.

Actually most events I've seen footage of Milo it was the left being the violent ones not the supporters. Also Milo has tried to engage liberal audience members who interupt him and in the end they look like idiots because they can't engage with him so they just walk out, flip him the bird etc.

Is this the new 'I have friends who are black/gay/etc.'? I know full well who Milo is, he's a man in his 30s who behaves and struts around like a 15 year old who thinks he's edgy for wearing an Iron Cross necklace.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

"black clad protesters wearing masks"? Sounds like those "Black Bloc" assholes who call themselves "anarchists," show up to a protest and start shit, while the protesters just want to protest peacefully.

Signed, Seattle resident who has seen what happens when these chuckleheads show up to "protest"

Good point, coriander. And to the extent that literal 'bomb-throwers' may have arrived outside of the UCB community, President Trump should have held onto his tweet questioning the school's federal dollars. Actually, I'd like the president to hold up on the majority of his tweets

The CNN article mentioned no arrests have been made. I'm wondering when arrests start to become appropriate when people and property are being affected like last evening. Especially if it's happening time and again in the town.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by bloodysunday972

Vlad





The first amendment is for everyone....When you try to shut that down that my friend is called Fascism....Something the left seems really keen on calling Trump & his supporters.

So what are your thoughts of when Trump banned the EPA and other government agencies from all media, shutting down information to the tax paying public?

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by bloodysunday972

Vlad


The first amendment is for everyone....When you try to shut that down that my friend is called Fascism....Something the left seems really keen on calling Trump & his supporters.

You have no idea what fascism is. Hint: it's not synonymous with something you don't like.

Originally Posted by bono_212

But doing so in a destructive manner hurts peaceful protestors causes. Would you not agree?

To a degree, yes. I don't think destruction is particularly necessary, but things can get out of control based on other factors in these situations.

[bloodysunday972]

Originally Posted by BVS

So what are your thoughts of when Trump banned the EPA and other government agencies from all media, shutting down information to the tax paying public?

If the information is not supposed to be discussed then its not supposed to be discussed.

There is a minor difference between say protesting against a policy as a citizen and actually working for the govt. That would mean people like Snowden and Wikileaks are protected under the first amendment too.