Is Offensive Political Violence Ever Justified?

[anitram]

Bye Felicia.

[Vlad n U 2]

Why on earth would Milo be the hill you wanted to die on anyway. Why.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Summay: I am very sorry for my lost book deal and potential loss of huge sums of money, thus i went back and saw that maybe some things I said we're a little out of line. My bad.

[PhilsFan]

Remember when Milo raised $100,000 for a "whites only" college scholarship and then pocketed the money?

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Did he at least matriculate?

[Headache in a Suitcase]

@AdamWeinstein: Trump train last week:
THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T PROTECT NONCITIZENS

Trump train this week:
MILO'S FREE SPEECH RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

Remember when Milo raised $100,000 for a "whites only" college scholarship and then pocketed the money?

Provocative!

Remember when he got in a twitter war with a ghostbuster?

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

@AdamWeinstein: Trump train last week:
THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T PROTECT NONCITIZENS

Trump train this week:
MILO'S FREE SPEECH RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED

How many times do we have to explain the difference between governmental restrictions of free speech and societal restrictions of free speech

Really, I can almost guarantee you that the people mocking free speech advocates are the only ones not getting this


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

How many times do we have to explain the difference between governmental restrictions of free speech and societal restrictions of free speech

Really, I can almost guarantee you that the people mocking free speech advocates are the only ones not getting this


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

How many times do we have to explain the difference between governmental restrictions of free speech and societal restrictions of free speech

Really, I can almost guarantee you that the people mocking free speech advocates are the only ones not getting this


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Really?! You think the ones "mocking" Milo are the ones not getting it?

[anitram]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

Really, I can almost guarantee you that the people mocking free speech advocates are the only ones not getting this

Oh I'm pretty sure your President has no clue.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by BVS

Really?! You think the ones "mocking" Milo are the ones not getting it?

It appears that, if they believe the argument is that a n y o n e complaining about Milo's governmental right to free speech is being violated, that they don't get the argument - yes.

I'm willing to discuss this further with you, because I think you're a smart guy, but only if we're going to have a civil, adult back-and-forth, here.

Originally Posted by anitram

Oh I'm pretty sure your President has no clue.

Now, if you're taking about the UC Berkeley thing, a governmental entity has some degree of responsibility to its citizen students. BUT THAT SAID:

See, this is why I tend to think you guys aren't so hot at reading comprehension.

I've been quite vocal on this board re: "fuck Trump." I did not vote for Trump. I protested Trump long before it became en vogue to do so. I haven't hidden my disdain from Trump in FYM at all, and I'm quite certain you've been involved in those conversations to some degree or another. Yet, your mind seems unable to handle a break in the narrative that says "anyone who thinks a social contract ensuring one another's free speech may be useful must wanna MAGA it up! Don't have to think to hard about that, now! *phew*"

Pay attention, please.

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Thoughtful rebuttal: achieved. You've proven to me that you're quite likely to get things. I'm in awe. No more doubt from me, Headache - this has proven you to clearly be my intellectual superior


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

It appears that, if they believe the argument is that a n y o n e is complaining about Milo's governmental right to free speech is being violated, that they don't get the argument - yes.

I'm willing to discuss this further with you, because I think you're a smart guy, but only if we're going to have a civil, adult back-and-forth, here.

I'm pretty sure there's an entire swath of people who are crying about Milo's free speech that don't understand that peaceful protest, cancelling speaking events and book deals are indeed part of the free speech equation.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

See, this is why I tend to think you guys aren't so hot at reading comprehension.

I've been quite vocal on this board re: "fuck Trump." I did not vote for Trump. I protested Trump long before it became en vogue to do so. I haven't hidden my disdain from Trump in FYM at all, and I'm quite certain you've been involved in those conversations to some degree or another. Yet, your mind seems unable to handle a break in the narrative that says "anyone who thinks a social contract ensuring one another's free speech may be useful must wanna MAGA it up! Don't have to think to hard about that, now! *phew*"

Pay attention, please.

This is your response to "Oh I don't think that your President has a clue" (in regards to what constitutes free speech) and WE have trouble with reading comprehension?

OK.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by anitram

This is your response to "Oh I don't think that your President has a clue" (in regards to what constitutes free speech) and WE have trouble with reading comprehension?



OK.

You know, I forgot you're living in Canada for a moment. Coming from an American, "your president" clearly implies that I support the man while you deride him.

If that wasn't your point, and instead you chose that word to simply mean this country's president, I sincerely apologize for misunderstanding you and jumping to a conclusion. It isn't unusual for me to be accused of supporting Trump (or apparently pedophilia, now haha) in FYM, so I may have jumped the gun.

That said, Trump is by no means a freedom of speech proponent - Trump, if taken at his word (which one could argue he shouldn't be, here) could be one of the worst presidents on that issue in many years.


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[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by BVS

I'm pretty sure there's an entire swath of people who are crying about Milo's free speech that don't understand that peaceful protest, cancelling speaking events and book deals are indeed part of the free speech equation.

But do you think that they think the government should have a hand in preventing this?

I guarantee you that the vast majority don't. Those who do shouldn't be listened to - they're missing the point, too.


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[anitram]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

You know, I forgot you're living in Canada for a moment. Coming from an American, "your president" clearly implies that I support the man while you deride him.

If that wasn't your point, and instead you chose that word to simply mean this country's president, I sincerely apologize for misunderstanding you and jumping to a conclusion. It isn't unusual for me to be accused of supporting Trump (or apparently pedophilia, now haha) in FYM, so I may have jumped the gun.

Yes, despite having lived and worked in the US (NYC to be specific) I am a dual citizen of Canada and the EU and therefore he is not and never will be my president.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by anitram

Yes, despite having lived and worked in the US (NYC to be specific) I am a dual citizen of Canada and the EU and therefore he is not and never will be my president.

Apology officially extended, Antitram - my mistake


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

But do you think that they think the government should have a hand in preventing this?

I guarantee you that the vast majority don't. Those who do shouldn't be listened to - they're missing the point, too.


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I'm not sure of the comparison you're trying to draw exactly?

[Caleb8844]

The government has no role in saving Milo's book deal or saving him from censorship.

But when that SNL writer made some joke about Barron Trump and got canned, I fumed. I don't want to live in a society where, instead of combatting bad ideas with good ideas, or first mode of recourse is to attempt to silence the bad ideas.

I have enough faith in society to believe that, in an open marketplace of ideas, the good will rise to the top while the bad are embarrassed and destroyed.

I have no desire for the government gets involved. The government clearly believes in free speech. When I complain about a lack of support for free speech, I'm simply asking the society to believe in the power of it, too.


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