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Old 11-16-2012, 10:34 PM   #81
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Sounds like a good idea! Pearl's call, though.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:37 PM   #82
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OK

Since my question has been answered, and yes feminism is still relevant, why not?
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:44 PM   #83
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On a lighter feminist note, the last three Horses of the Year have been filly/mares--Rachel Alexandra, Zenyatta and Havre de Grace.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:24 AM   #84
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women aren't women anymore :(

The war on men | Fox News


The battle of the sexes is alive and well. According to Pew Research Center, the share of women ages eighteen to thirty-four that say having a successful marriage is one of the most important things in their lives rose nine percentage points since 1997 – from 28 percent to 37 percent. For men, the opposite occurred. The share voicing this opinion dropped, from 35 percent to 29 percent.

Believe it or not, modern women want to get married. Trouble is, men don’t.

The so-called dearth of good men (read: marriageable men) has been a hot subject in the media as of late. Much of the coverage has been in response to the fact that for the first time in history, women have become the majority of the U.S. workforce. They’re also getting most of the college degrees. The problem? This new phenomenon has changed the dance between men and women.

As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.

Women aren’t women anymore.

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s.

But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women’s fault?

You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put women front and center, while men and children sit in the back seat. But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.

Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has pissed them off. It has also undermined their ability to become self-sufficient in the hopes of someday supporting a family. Men want to love women, not compete with them. They want to provide for and protect their families – it’s in their DNA. But modern women won’t let them.

It’s all so unfortunate – for women, not men. Feminism serves men very well: they can have sex at hello and even live with their girlfriends with no responsibilities whatsoever.

It’s the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature they’re forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.

So if men today are slackers, and if they’re retreating from marriage en masse, women should look in the mirror and ask themselves what role they’ve played to bring about this transformation.

Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature – their femininity – and let men surrender to theirs.

If they do, marriageable men will come out of the woodwork.


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Old 11-26-2012, 11:09 AM   #85
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Oh Fox, keep it classy
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:11 AM   #86
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Thank goodness Fox News has the courage to tell the truth that the mainstream media doesn't want you to hear. And how brave of us to have the courage to read that article and speak truth to power.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:25 AM   #87
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Yeah, I was going to put it in the Fox thread. Thought it could go in either one.

Of course a woman wrote it. Maybe she's one of the women who work for Fox who aren't allowed to wear pants. If women would stop wearing pants and start showing their legs all the time they'd get back to being women, and men would want to date and marry them.
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It's a perfect example of how the conservative media industrial complex works.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:30 AM   #89
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Is war on men going to be their 2016 thing? Maybe they think if you reverse everything that they screwed up in 2012 they'll win

War on women---------> war on men

47 percent-------------> 74 percent

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:32 AM   #90
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There's plenty of women who don't want to get married either. :

Count on FOX on writing a doomsday-like op-ed and blaming women for all of today's social ills.

However, I do wonder if the men out there who are feeling left out and underappreciated in today's society are worth listening to. If they are misogynists who think women should be damsels in distress, then forget it. But if they genuinely see women as equal to them, then perhaps there's something to consider.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:38 AM   #91
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I think most people feel left out and underappreciated at one time or another. I do. Don't know if that's particularly a gender thing. I just don't like the implication that women being empowered and more equal is responsible for that. I don't believe in putting anyone up on a pedestal. It's unrealistic, and unhealthy.

No, there can't be women who don't want to get married. Not possible. They're just saying that cause no men are interested in them. Cause they're all angry and stuff.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:07 PM   #92
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No, there can't be women who don't want to get married. Not possible. They're just saying that cause no men are interested in them. Cause they're all angry and stuff.


Yes, just like lesbians are who they are because they can't find a good man.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:09 PM   #93
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Just read an article about that post. It's based on a book written by conservative columnist, Suzanne Venker with the help of Phyllis Schlafly. Run, everyone, run!
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Venker is the personification of conservative hypocrisy.

They preach that liberty, freedom, and more choices are good for society, yet she preaches that these things have reduced women's happiness.

There's a constant contradiction in conservative's social stances, I would say across the board maybe with one or two exceptions. It's why if you don't wake up and change your platform you will be irrelevant. This constant hypocrisy just continues to fortify the notion that what you really mean is: "liberty, freedom, and more choices are good for straight white christian males". This IS the perception that you are selling to the rest of the world.
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Funny. I am a 29-year-old white man: precisely the demographic that is supposed to be feeling unbearably brow-beaten by the feminist establishment and jaded with marriage because women just aren't behaving like women any more. Yet I have never felt that way, nor have I heard any of my peers express an opinion even remotely close to what this author claims she hears from so many men. I wonder where she is finding these men that are so disappointed in women no longer being content to serve as the domesticated, middle-American drone. Perhaps she was sampling exclusively Republican counties.
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Funny. I am a 29-year-old white man: precisely the demographic that is supposed to be feeling unbearably brow-beaten by the feminist establishment and jaded with marriage because women just aren't behaving like women any more. Yet I have never felt that way, nor have I heard any of my peers express an opinion even remotely close to what this author claims she hears from so many men. I wonder where she is finding these men that are so disappointed in women no longer being content to serve as the domesticated, middle-American drone. Perhaps she was sampling exclusively Republican counties.
These men do exist(we've even seen them in this forum), but they are the minority, and they are usually miserable individuals who constantly play victim.

So yeah, maybe you're right maybe she only sampled Republican counties
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I wonder where she's finding those men too. Maybe they're imaginary.
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They are a minority, but they do exist. I've seen a few on dating sites, and they were younger than 30. Disturbing, but at least there's not too many of them.
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Yeah, reading that article, all I could do was roll my eyes and look for the world's smallest violin to play.

"Women aren't women anymore". What the hell is that even supposed to mean?
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It means that certain people are still intent on gender essentializing - you know, because it is just so damn convenient. There are few things more intellectually lazy than the biological determinism argument. "It's fine for men to be territorial assholes and women to be domestic servants, because it's just in their DNA! It's science!" There's as much science in that mentality as there is in bloody phrenology.
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