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I don't think it's that simple.
You can introduce policies but they only work if the social attitudes are accepting of them. I can give you two examples. One, I worked at a corporate law firm which introduced paid paternity leave (17 weeks). Two younger guys took advantage of it but they moved on to other opportunities eventually. Nobody else used it because they felt that it would be perceived a certain way. One of my best friends had a baby last year, their first. Her husband is a young star at a huge multinational organization and works in their head corporate office in finance. This company also introduced paternity leave a few years ago (less generous, I think 8 or 10 weeks) and his wife was very keen on him taking it. He was at a dinner with much more senior executives and sort of mentioned it in passing and the response he got from one of them was a laugh accompanied by a "I guess you don't want to proceed up the ranks here!" It was told in a jovial, joking manner, but you can take a guess as to whether my friend's husband took the time offered. When we talk of these policies, the issue is often that large corporations introduce them due to a combination of a) wanting to be progressive and retain more of the younger generation which has a different view of parenting and b) wanting to be able to tick off the boxes of workplace equity and diversity. But it's one thing to introduce a policy and a whole another thing to have a corporate culture that openly embraces it. Until that point you can introduce policies until you're blue in the face and all they'll be worth is the paper they're written on. |
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Yes, but attitudes tend not to change spontaneously in the absence of policy- it's just that policies have to be put in place with the intention that they be used. Of course if everyone from the top down knows the policy is a joke then it's not going to change attitudes, and that's the fault of management. But policy plus intention to carry them out tends to be quite effective over time.
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I think about adoption a lot.
When I read these stories, I start to think that maybe I should remain childless and work hard to help out my siblings financially so they can better care for their children. This is where the present generation faces real challenges that didn't exist even 30 years ago -- the costs of health care, housing, education, and child care are so exorbitant, and the workplace so competitive, that raising a family is utterly daunting. |
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I know this is from BuzzFeed but it talks about how rape survivors are fighting back against the stigma over rape victims by speaking out about what they went through:
Why The "Rape Girls" Are Speaking Out |
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Are you looking for someone to defend their actions?
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I would hope nobody would try.
I do find it interesting that this story is not being reported in a meaningful way. If the roles were reversed, and men were spitting and shoving their jockstraps in the face of women (or homosexuals) - this story would be the major headline. I suppose I'm just calling "foul." |
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I just found your phrasing (heroes) a little unfair and fighty.
As for why it's not being more widely reported, I actually don't think it would be gaining much more traction if the genders were reversed. Local news from South America doesn't typically make the headlines here. ![]() |
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How much news is reported from South America in general?
While what these women were doing was cruel and generally unhelpful to their cause, it's kind of an outlier. Violence and sexual assault against women is the norm in that particular gender dynamic rather than this episode. This is not something I can gather particularly meaningful comment on, other than it's unpleasant. Anyway isn't this people being crappy to people who support an institution that wants to be crappy to women's rights? Not an expert on Argentina but I imagine it's not too dissimilar to how the Catholic Church has affected things in Ireland, which wasn't really good. |
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IMO these women are just as bad as the men they're claiming to be against by being feministst. It's doing their cause more harm than good.
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Yeah, it was like saying all feminists are just like those who do more harm than good, which is largely untrue.
Rioting, vandalism, attacking and the like never solves anything. Dialogue and nonviolent protests work. Even with women's issues. |
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Yeah but like I said, that sort of thing doesn't solve problems
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Yes, it was meant to be sarcastic.
I do think there are many women out there, especially on the university campuses, that certainly use "bullying" tactics - just not as extreme as we see here in this video. (shouting, putting down even the hint of a dissenting view in the classrooms, over emotionalism) I'm still not 100% percent clear how abortion equals woman's rights. Do men have zero say during a pregnancy? Aren't men also responsible (legally enforced in most countries) for the life of the child, even if the child is unwanted? How is it possible they can't have a say in the matter? I'm all for woman equality - but I'm also anti-abortion (under most circumstances). |
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I get the sense that you feel threatened by any woman asking for equality and respect. Maybe that's not true, but if so, why? |
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if women cannot control when they do and do not get pregnant, there can be no true equality since it's something that can never happen to a man. also, if a women should chose to end a pregnancy, it's her exercising full control over her body, she shouldn't haven't to seek permission from a man. |
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