PhilsFan
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I would say prayer leaves you somewhere beyond apathetic. Religion just is not a part of who I am.
Definitely alienates me...
Seconded.
Honest question Iron Horse:
Do you really think you've convinced anyone here to explore Christianity or would you say you've done more to alienate people? Have you ever considered a different approach to promote your beliefs?
Honest answer:
I don't know.
What do you suggest?
(and I say that as someone who might've had 6 beers when he only needed 5 and didn't get to do karaoke when it was promised to him at the beginning of the night).
I am a strict materialist atheist.
I was moved by Jeannieco's post, and have no doubt that everything she testified to is absolutely true, but I would respectfully point out that atheists are also capable of all the attributes of human charity and generosity of spirit which Jeannieco described.
Awww, thank you FG
I agree that anyone is capable of displaying compassion and charity, you don't have to believe in God to be moved to help your fellow man.
It's all about intension. To be moved or inspired literally means to be "in spirit". Why does one feel inspired to help someone in the first place? Where does that initial feeling come from?
I know how I answer that for myself and I guess those are questions everyone has to figure out for themselves.
As an atheist, I would say it is because this is all there is, and we should strive to make this experience...life...as pleasant for all as we possibly can.
An imposing figure in black robes and white clerical collar, Mr Hendrikse presides over the Sunday service at the Exodus Church in Gorinchem, central Holland.
It is part of the mainstream Protestant Church in the Netherlands (PKN), and the service is conventional enough, with hymns, readings from the Bible, and the Lord's Prayer. But the message from Mr Hendrikse's sermon seems bleak - "Make the most of life on earth, because it will probably be the only one you get".
"Personally I have no talent for believing in life after death," Mr Hendrikse says. "No, for me our life, our task, is before death."
Nor does Klaas Hendrikse believe that God exists at all as a supernatural thing.
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God is not a being at all... it's a word for experience, or human experience”Rev Klaas Hendrikse
"When it happens, it happens down to earth, between you and me, between people, that's where it can happen. God is not a being at all... it's a word for experience, or human experience."
Mr Hendrikse describes the Bible's account of Jesus's life as a mythological story about a man who may never have existed, even if it is a valuable source of wisdom about how to lead a good life.
His book Believing in a Non-Existent God led to calls from more traditionalist Christians for him to be removed. However, a special church meeting decided his views were too widely shared among church thinkers for him to be singled out.
Would anyone say we're evolving in the way we see God? I think so. I think God is too broad and too complex of a being to be understood, so its best not to put Him in a box.
I am a strict materialist atheist......
in the Catholic faith, we
I can imagine how my parents might have responded to the idea that the way they raised their children was a form of "fascism," and it probably wouldn't be very sympathetic.And is it not a mild form of child abuse, that Catholics, for example, are baptised into the faith, and at an age way to early to decide for themselves, and with no getout clause?
Even if everything else Dawkins is rubbish, that speech got me thinking, yet again, of the soft fascism of Roman Catholicism, Judaism, and Mohammedism.