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IRS Targeted Conservative Groups
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This is really bad. I certainly hope Obama had nothing to do with this. But even so, it shows how tense the bipartisan politics in this country has become. Just when you thought it couldn't get uglier... |
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The IRS would have a beef with organizations that are essentially anti-tax?
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That still doesn't give them a reason to target them. I may never support the Tea Party but what the IRS did wasn't right in anyway.
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Oh, I know. I wasn't trying to make any kind of justification, but I don't think it comes as a shock to anyone that departments like the IRS, FCC, etc have been known to "target" certain groups or individuals.
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Indeed. But I love how the right-wing crowd makes this problem sound like Obama is solidifying his dictatorship step by step.
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This is outrageous, that any government agencies would target people based upon their political beliefs/political speech. The IRS should never be used for any kind of political purpose. Also very dangerous to look at this in any kind of partisan way. If you held Bush responsible for stuff like this, you'd better hold Obama responsible too. The buck is supposed to stop with him.
There were also AP phone record searches being done by the justice department. This isn't related to the IRS situation, but hmmm..what is going on there? |
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Editor's note: Michael Macleod-Ball is chief of staff at the ACLU's Washington Legislative Office. Gabe Rottman is a legislative counsel/policy adviser in the ACLU's Washington Legislative Office.
(CNN) -- The extraordinary revelation this week that the Internal Revenue Service targeted tea party groups for more aggressive enforcement highlights exactly why caution is needed in any response to the much-vilified Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC. It also shows how all Americans, from the most liberal to the most conservative, should closely guard their First Amendment rights, and why giving the government too much power to limit political speech will inevitably result in selective enforcement against unpopular groups. To the agency's credit, Lois Lerner, a senior official at the IRS, apologized on Friday for these unconstitutional practices, which are as unseemly as the Bush administration's targeting of the NAACP and the House of Representatives' defunding of Planned Parenthood on purely political grounds. Lerner said that career IRS staff who were reviewing applicants for tax-exempt status took a harder look at applications with "tea party" or "patriot" in their names. She stressed that the added scrutiny was done as a "shortcut," not out of "political bias." But her admission calls into question earlier claims by the agency that IRS scrutiny wasn't politically motivated, and it comes in the face of repeated complaints by right-wing groups that they have been treated unfairly. Collins says IRS revelations will fuel distrust in government Before addressing the obvious constitutional concerns with the selective use of the tax code against political opponents, here's some background. Certain public interest groups, like charities and nonprofit athletic organizations, do not have to pay federal income tax on their donations or dues. These tax-exempt groups include 501(c)(4) organizations (named for the relevant section of the code). To qualify, a group must be "operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare." The definition of "social welfare" is broad, and applies to all points of view. The ACLU's lobbying arm, for which we work, is a 501(c)(4). So is the National Right to Life Committee. These social welfare groups are forbidden from engaging in too much partisan political activity. How much is too much, however, is controversial and remains uncertain. An organization that crosses over the fuzzy line will be denied tax-exempt status. Crucially, 501(c)(4) organizations, in most cases, need not publicly disclose their donors. That policy is driven by the same concerns that prompted the Supreme Court in a civil rights-era case, NAACP v. Alabama, to prohibit that state from forcing the NAACP to out its members as a condition of operating. The court reasoned, rightly, that such disclosure could lead to violence against existing members and would dissuade potential members from joining at all. Now, during the past couple of elections there has been a surge in applications for 501(c)(4) tax-exempt status. Some argue that these new groups are being created specifically to help elect or defeat candidates, which would otherwise prompt full donor disclosure to the Federal Election Commission. Opponents claim these groups are abusively claiming tax-exempt status to keep their donor lists secret. Some further claim that these groups then allow wealthy individuals, corporations, and unions to anonymously funnel large amounts of money into ads supporting or attacking political candidates. As a consequence, the IRS has been under enormous pressure to speed up and aggressively investigate applications for tax-exempt status -- both reasonable demands, if carried out impartially. But much of this outside pressure has come from the left and has been directed at conservative groups, who have an advantage in this "dark" political money. It sounds as though the events surrounding the IRS announcement can be partly attributed to this growth in applications and the pressure to uncover "sham" 501(c)(4) groups. Although the IRS claims this was an honest mistake, these revelations are troubling on many levels. For instance, there are several proposals circulating in Washington right now that would make it much easier for the IRS and other regulators to force political groups to disclose their donors. These disclosure requirements would apply even when the group is advocating purely on an issue of public interest, from clean air to abortion, and would apply to groups of all political persuasions and not just to groups supporting or opposing candidates for office. The ACLU has expressed concern with these disclosure requirements precisely because they open the door to selective enforcement. Such concerns are often dismissed as speculative and overly pessimistic, but the IRS apology shows that concerns over selective enforcement are prescient. Those in power will always be tempted to use political speech restrictions against opposing candidates or causes. The IRS announcement demonstrates that we should carefully consider any new policy that allows the government to restrict or chill political speech, including broader donor disclosure requirements. Congress and the administration should also act immediately to create ironclad checks on the IRS to prevent this from ever happening again. It shouldn't need to be said: Even the tea party deserves First Amendment protection. |
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this is the environment that Citizens United has created. i'm not sure why these political groups are seeking tax exempt status, and they should be under greater scrutiny.
however, singling out a group because of their politics is wrong and heads should roll at the IRS. |
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The I.R.S will have your health records beginning next year. What could go wrong? |
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Cause them libruls can't possibly be capable of non partisan rational thought? Does not compute?
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Not about the IRS, but another Obama-linked scandal: the DOJ wiretapping AP journalists.
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So Obama continued the work of George W Bush, and probably did it worse. I like the paragraph I bolded. In 2008, I was baffled to see Obama supporters treat him like a sort of Messiah who will save the world through "change". All these gushing supporters were saying things like, "oh he inspires me!", "he's going to unite the two parties and America will be better!" and all that stupid crap. Seriously, he's a politician - since when do they mean what they say and keep their promises? It's all PR and BS. It also sucks that some of the right wing paranoia has some merit, though ironically they were silent during the Bush years. I guess if McCain or Romney were doing all this, it would've been fine. |
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Sorry for going off topic, but this is some week for Obama
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Of all these "scandals," by far the least concerning is Benghazi.
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Unlike the other second term scandals that seem to follow every president since Nixon, none of these yet seemed directly tied to the president (though it's not certain that they won't eventually).
I've personally found Obama's continuance of the Bush-era approach to fighting terrorism to be of greatest concern. The Repubs didn't seem to mind the Patriot Act etc when it was there guy implementing it. I've always found it disturbing regardless of who was sitting in the White House. |
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A publicly known story since the fall of 2010?! You conservatives need to get your talking points straight; Glenn's reporting 2012, Rush 2011, and Hannity January of this year. And now INDY tells us 2010, you talking heads need to read your memos.
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The interesting fact that conservative talking heads aren't telling you is that there are only two politically appointed positions in the IRS and both are leftovers from Bush's administration.
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While I know nothing about this (not my country) and care less, the image of Bush-era political holdovers still at the IRS conjures up images of a Ron Swanson figure, mug in hand.
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So, enough of the PR and BS?* |
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