Iraq: What to do?

AEON · 06-16-2014, 11:34 PM

With ISIS taking over large parts of the country, what should the US do?

Irvine511 · 06-16-2014, 11:47 PM

We should not listen to the war criminals who created this mess in the first place.

Ghastly as it may seem, as of right now, my attitude is that middle eastern democracy will be neither liberal or pluralistic. There are deep histories at play that we can't begin to understand. They may need to settle things on their own terms.

I appreciate how relatively calm the White House has been.

Contain it, offer humanitarian aid, but stay the fuck out.

U2DMfan · 06-17-2014, 01:33 AM

I could see us backing an Iraqi government worth backing...at least in terms of diplomatic or economic support or even drones. But this Iraqi govt isn't it.

Backing this one (hostile to Sunnis) is about like aligning ourselves with Iran and that asshole al-Assad in Syria at the same time.

Getting involved in this in any way is probably like picking sides in a civil war. Horrific idea. And the idea that all these Bushie neocons are out their trumpeting our military involvement (once again) is endorsement enough to stay as much out as possible.

I think we should do what we've done. Send troops to the embassy.
If/when the shit hits the fan - get them out of there and wash our hands of it.

Galeongirl · 06-17-2014, 02:36 AM

Honestly? Get the fuck out. Leave them to fight for their ideals. It's not worth risking the lives of so many men once again when there's such a deep hate between the people living in the country. We don't understand their ideals, they don't understand ours. Why meddle and play big brother when you've no control of anything at all?

prbiker15 · 06-17-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Galeongirl

Honestly? Get the fuck out. Leave them to fight for their ideals. It's not worth risking the lives of so many men once again when there's such a deep hate between the people living in the country. We don't understand their ideals, they don't understand ours. Why meddle and play big brother when you've no control of anything at all?

Spot on. Once was more than enough.

PhilsFan · 06-17-2014, 09:32 AM

Yes, but the oil!

anitram · 06-17-2014, 10:46 AM

Nothing.

Irvine511 · 06-18-2014, 07:51 AM

This is just a distraction from Benghazi.

**Diemen** · 06-18-2014, 09:28 AM

Cheney, Bill Kristol and Paul Bremer have all coming out bashing Obama for mishandling Iraq. The sheer chutzpah is pretty breathtaking.

Irvine511 · 06-18-2014, 10:07 AM

they're trying to fix a narrative whereby "the surge" gave us "victory" in Iraq and now it's fallen apart because Obama.

deep · 06-18-2014, 05:04 PM

Give Iraq to Syria
No more Iraq problem.

Irvine511 · 06-18-2014, 06:56 PM

Why isn't Dick Cheney in jail?

DaveC · 06-19-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

Why isn't Dick Cheney in jail?

This.

deep · 06-19-2014, 01:25 PM

Because even jails have standards.

DaveC · 06-19-2014, 02:42 PM

He should be in that hole Ras Al-Ghul was put in.

digitize · 06-19-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

Why isn't Dick Cheney in jail?

Or locked in his own man-sized safe?

Vlad n U 2 · 06-19-2014, 07:47 PM

Buried alive with a torchlight and a mobile phone with no credit on it.

bono_212 · 06-19-2014, 07:49 PM

At least he'll have Candy Crush.

Buk · 06-20-2014, 09:27 AM

Now that Obama has decided to send troops and air power back into Iraq I think those ISIS guys will turn tail and head back to northern Syria in the weeks ahead.

**Diemen** · 06-20-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Buk

Now that Obama has decided to send troops and air power back into Iraq I think those ISIS guys will turn tail and head back to northern Syria in the weeks ahead.

That's a bit misleading. <300 troops to secure the US embassy and about the same to help train and strategize with Iraqi forces (aka, no direct combat roles), and the option of air strikes is being held "in reserve" - so it's not like we're going in with guns blazing.

06-16-2014, 11:34 PM	#1
AEON Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 4,052 Local Time: 08:07 AM	Iraq: What to do? With ISIS taking over large parts of the country, what should the US do? __________________

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Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,216 Local Time: 11:07 AM	Iraq: What to do? We should not listen to the war criminals who created this mess in the first place. Ghastly as it may seem, as of right now, my attitude is that middle eastern democracy will be neither liberal or pluralistic. There are deep histories at play that we can't begin to understand. They may need to settle things on their own terms. I appreciate how relatively calm the White House has been. Contain it, offer humanitarian aid, but stay the fuck out. __________________

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,602 Local Time: 08:07 AM	Iraq: What to do? Give Iraq to Syria No more Iraq problem.

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bono_212 Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 83,919 Local Time: 08:07 AM	At least he'll have Candy Crush. __________________

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06-17-2014, 01:33 AM	#3
U2DMfan Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: It's Inside A Black Hole Posts: 6,637 Local Time: 09:07 AM	I could see us backing an Iraqi government worth backing...at least in terms of diplomatic or economic support or even drones. But this Iraqi govt isn't it. Backing this one (hostile to Sunnis) is about like aligning ourselves with Iran and that asshole al-Assad in Syria at the same time. Getting involved in this in any way is probably like picking sides in a civil war. Horrific idea. And the idea that all these Bushie neocons are out their trumpeting our military involvement (once again) is endorsement enough to stay as much out as possible. I think we should do what we've done. Send troops to the embassy. If/when the shit hits the fan - get them out of there and wash our hands of it.

06-17-2014, 09:32 AM	#6
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 11:07 AM	Yes, but the oil!

06-17-2014, 10:46 AM	#7
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 11:07 AM	Nothing.

06-18-2014, 07:51 AM	#8
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,216 Local Time: 11:07 AM	This is just a distraction from Benghazi.

06-18-2014, 09:28 AM	#9
Diemen Resident Photo Buff Forum Moderator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Somewhere in middle America Posts: 13,687 Local Time: 10:07 AM	Cheney, Bill Kristol and Paul Bremer have all coming out bashing Obama for mishandling Iraq. The sheer chutzpah is pretty breathtaking.

06-18-2014, 10:07 AM	#10
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,216 Local Time: 11:07 AM	they're trying to fix a narrative whereby "the surge" gave us "victory" in Iraq and now it's fallen apart because Obama.

06-18-2014, 06:56 PM	#12
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,216 Local Time: 11:07 AM	Why isn't Dick Cheney in jail?

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,602 Local Time: 08:07 AM	Because even jails have standards.

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DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,841 Local Time: 11:07 AM	He should be in that hole Ras Al-Ghul was put in.

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Vlad n U 2 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28,387 Local Time: 01:37 AM	Buried alive with a torchlight and a mobile phone with no credit on it.

06-20-2014, 09:27 AM	#19
Buk The Fly Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 119 Local Time: 11:07 AM	Now that Obama has decided to send troops and air power back into Iraq I think those ISIS guys will turn tail and head back to northern Syria in the weeks ahead.