Iraq: What to do?

[kidrambler]

Sorry. I'm still using iPhone 4s. Either the small screen or my fat thumbs caused me to miss the comment above my last reply and tap my previous comment. I think my new comment makes clear to whom and what I was replying. iPhone 6 supposedly comes out next month. I'm sure I'll get one by Christmas.


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[kidrambler]

I find it interesting that the Translation for whatever Arabic name ISIS or ISIL calls itself, fits neatly into its English acronym. Coincidence? Messaging is key.


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[Galeongirl]

... why are you trying so hard to find food for your conspiracy theories? It's just an abbreviation of a name, that happens to have an English acronym. How the hell is that anything more than a complete utter coincidence?

[Vincent Vega]

al-Dawlah al-ʾIslāmiyyah fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham

ISIS/ISIL are commonly translated as follows:
Islamic State in Iraq and Syria
Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham
Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant

where Syria is rather too narrow, so some say "Greater Syria", to avoid the misperception that ISIS would be content with taking Iraq and Syria.
al-Sham and the Levant are almost the same words. Levant is Italian and historically referred to the Mediterranean lands east of Greece. al-Sham is Arabic and historically was comprising roughly the areas of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and a bit of Israel.
I guess the Arabs just did a poor job of differentiating their language more from the Indogermanics.

[Babydoll]

Originally Posted by kidrambler

I find it interesting that the Translation for whatever Arabic name ISIS or ISIL calls itself, fits neatly into its English acronym. Coincidence? Messaging is key.


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Huh?

I don't get this at all.

[Galeongirl]

Don't you see the straws?

[PhilsFan]

m e s s a g i n g i s e v e r y t h i n g

[Popmartijn]

Everything you know is wrong
beLIEve
Watch more TV

[Babydoll]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

Don't you see the straws?

I do now

[the iron horse]

"And Iraqi Ministry of Human Rights spokesman Kamil Amin told CNN that up to 20,000 Yazidi Iraqis, who have been targeted by the militants, had been rescued and taken to safety near the Syrian border. However, thousands remain trapped on a mountain, scrambling for food and water dropped by U.S. airlifts."

U.S. airstrikes bring early gains in Iraq


At least some good news after a week of bad.

[kidrambler]

I think it is far more nefarious to not question things. Sure, we're using a humanitarian situation to persuade Americans to get involved for a reason other than humanitarian. Two days in to helping out and now they say we'll be there for weeks and months.... Because of the Kurds not the Yezidis. It was always about the oil and/or gas fields, pipelines and refineries. I don't know but one person in this forum who is Christian and referred me here. We met years ago on the band Creed's forum. The nations will do as they please. My only concern pertains to believers abandoning the Word of God, letting it take a back seat to kingdoms of the earth which are destined for destruction. Matthew 16:24-26; 10:28; Daniel 2:41-45


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[kidrambler]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

... why are you trying so hard to find food for your conspiracy theories? It's just an abbreviation of a name, that happens to have an English acronym. How the hell is that anything more than a complete utter coincidence?

I'm not trying to do anything. After two glasses of wine last night it was just an interesting thought I had because the languages are so different. It doesn't have anything to do directly with the real reason the West is going into Iraq. How many times must people be lied to by their national leaders before they wise up? The persons here who are taking issue with the obvious remind me of someone who went by the name Creed of Kings. C.O. K. convinced an entire board of Christians to believe the Bush administration was telling the truth about Iraq's "wmds" and that he helped Al Quaeda. Even though the truth existed beforehand. But they were so bent on believing in a man who professed to be Christian, they supported war based on lies. Many people died or were maimed for that man's lies. Those lives could have been protected if there was an educated populace. But the kings of the earth, and the corporate- (fat cats who profit from war and oil) -controlled media had a job to do and they revealed that they serve the powers that be rather than the publics interest. Afterwards they express remorse and say they needed to do better, until now when they are doing it all over again.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by kidrambler

I think it is far more nefarious to not question things. Sure, we're using a humanitarian situation to persuade Americans to get involved for a reason other than humanitarian. Two days in to helping out and now they say we'll be there for weeks and months.... Because of the Kurds not the Yezidis. It was always about the oil and/or gas fields, pipelines and refineries. I don't know but one person in this forum who is Christian and referred me here. We met years ago on the band Creed's forum. The nations will do as they please. My only concern pertains to believers abandoning the Word of God, letting it take a back seat to kingdoms of the earth which are destined for destruction. Matthew 16:24-26; 10:28; Daniel 2:41-45


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I find this post to be really sad on many fronts. Of course question things. But don't assume who is Christian or not, don't create conspiracies without facts, and more importantly don't get holier than thou... You do know how many verses there are about false witness, right?

I'm glad you're here, I welcome your point of view, but you might want to relax a little. More open discussion less assuming, maybe...


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[kidrambler]

Thank you for the welcome. I haven't assumed anyone to be Christian but the one I know. And he's falling down the same rabbit hole again.

As for facts, they said it plainly on the news before we started giving aid, our involvement is important because the Kurds are our friends and 80% of Iraq's oil is at stake in the northern region.

Yesterday CNN showed a map of the places in Iraq where ISIS have control or have an "occupational presence". If you google a map of Iraq's oil fields, you will that the fields, pipelines and refineries locations match the map ISIS locations in Iraq.

Before people here jump to accuse someone of creating a conspiracy, especially a person new and unknown to the forum, they might try asking questions for clarification. I admit, I don't know how to write well, but I'm not an idiot.

Now my husband returned today from a ten day river trip and I'm going to spend the rest of my evening with him.


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[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by kidrambler

I'm not trying to do anything. After two glasses of wine last night it was just an interesting thought I had because the languages are so different. It doesn't have anything to do directly with the real reason the West is going into Iraq. How many times must people be lied to by their national leaders before they wise up? The persons here who are taking issue with the obvious remind me of someone who went by the name Creed of Kings. C.O. K. convinced an entire board of Christians to believe the Bush administration was telling the truth about Iraq's "wmds" and that he helped Al Quaeda. Even though the truth existed beforehand. But they were so bent on believing in a man who professed to be Christian, they supported war based on lies. Many people died or were maimed for that man's lies. Those lives could have been protected if there was an educated populace. But the kings of the earth, and the corporate- (fat cats who profit from war and oil) -controlled media had a job to do and they revealed that they serve the powers that be rather than the publics interest. Afterwards they express remorse and say they needed to do better, until now when they are doing it all over again.


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Why is it so important for you to constantly point out christianity in all of your posts?

Why does it matter that the guy convinced an entire board of christians? Why is that any different from believing a board of people of random faith beliving Bush was telling the truth?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by kidrambler

Thank you for the welcome. I haven't assumed anyone to be Christian but the one I know. And he's falling down the same rabbit hole again.

As for facts, they said it plainly on the news before we started giving aid, our involvement is important because the Kurds are our friends and 80% of Iraq's oil is at stake in the northern region.

Did the news source that you're watching also happen to mention that humans are being killed, beheaded, and that there are thousands without food and water?

Or is this the rabbit hole you're talking about?

I'm extremely confused about the point you are trying to make. I've seen you mention oil and Christianity in several of your posts, but not once have I seen you mention the targeting of humans?


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[kidrambler]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

Why is it so important for you to constantly point out christianity in all of your posts?



Why does it matter that the guy convinced an entire board of christians? Why is that any different from believing a board of people of random faith beliving Bush was telling the truth?

I'm sorry. I thought this forum was the spot where U2 fans to express their views and opinions. My bad.


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[Galeongirl]

It is, I'm asking about your view so you can explain it... since the way you are posting makes it seem that christians is all that matters to the world I assume I am taking this wrongly, so I ask for an explanation rather than jumping to conclusions.

[kidrambler]

Originally Posted by BVS

Did the news source that you're watching also happen to mention that humans are being killed, beheaded, and that there are thousands without food and water?

Or is this the rabbit hole you're talking about?

I'm extremely confused about the point you are trying to make. I've seen you mention oil and Christianity in several of your posts, but not once have I seen you mention the targeting of humans?


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Yes, they mentioned it. And I saw the photos online. Our media is acting like this is worse than before. But mass executions and beheadings did happen before. My point is that we only "help" people when it's in our "interests " to do so. I'm addressing what I strongly suspect is coming, not what is now. An old Christian acquaintance in the virtual world invited me here because he thought I'd find it a welcoming place. He knows me, he usually disagrees with me. But he's respectful of my zeal for the truth in all matters, especially as it pertains to the teachings of J.C. Also, I care about using the troops under false pretenses. I detest lying. And this time I have skin in the game--a loved one who is a Marine.
America isn't as noble as it pretends to be.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by kidrambler

Yes, they mentioned it. And I saw the photos online. Our media is acting like this is worse than before. But mass executions and beheadings did happen before. My point is that we only "help" people when it's in our "interests " to do so. I'm addressing what I strongly suspect is coming, not what is now. An old Christian acquaintance in the virtual world invited me here because he thought I'd find it a welcoming place. He knows me, he usually disagrees with me. But he's respectful of my zeal for the truth in all matters, especially as it pertains to the teachings of J.C. Also, I care about using the troops under false pretenses. I detest lying. And this time I have skin in the game--a loved one who is a Marine.
America isn't as noble as it pretends to be.


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You're right, we don't send aid to every humanitarian cause, but it's in our interest to do so. This is the worst mass executions since we've gone in their and done our nation building. I along with others would say we should have never gone in there in the first place, and we've caused some of this, but to turn our backs now would be irresponsible. I'm not sure what you believe is to come, but I think our military efforts will be pretty minimal no one has any interest in going back in there.


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