Screwtape2
Blue Crack Addict
I'm not voting.
Interference FYM Mock U.S. General Presidential Election #1
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A_Wanderer
ONE love, blood, life
So voting on principle is wrong now?
"Barack, of course (with Barr as my second choice). "
Shame.
Maybe a new poll.
Hehe. I like Barr, and am probably a libertarian-leaning-progressive/liberal/nutroot-crazy, but, in the end, I support Barack.
namkcuR
ONE love, blood, life
I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.
There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
Se7en
Rock n' Roll Doggie
why would someone in new york or massachusetts vote for john mccain?
If this election was Hitler (polling at 45%) vs. Stalin (polling at 45%) vs. Bob Barr (polling at 1%), I would not vote to Stalin because he is slightly closer to my viewpoints than Hitler. I would vote for Barr.
namkcuR
ONE love, blood, life
Except that in a democracy Hitler and Stalin wouldn't get past the primaries
You're forgetting that Hitler was democratically elected, and Stalin ran the U.S.S.R. mainly because of a massive, quasi-democratic (not through official means) demand for Marxism in Russia. Democracy is not as great as it is made out to be. Democracy leads to leaders doing whatever will get them elected, not what is right. Democracy allows leaders to be bought out so they can be re-elected. Democracy allows money to run the country, and fries the free press, replacing it with the corporate press mess that we have today. Democracy has a tendency to be a great enemy of liberty, which is why I cannot stand the 17th amendment.
A_Wanderer
ONE love, blood, life
Then why not just abolish third parties?
I think your view is contemptuously illiberal, an obligation to vote for the lesser evil is not a good thing, I would rather enjoy freedom and a clear conscience than be forced to choose between expansionist statist candidates.
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
This is interesting.
How so?
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
Because we are constantly being told on FYM that all US libertarians are right-wing, tax-cutting, selfish, f**k the poor types.
I have always suspected that that is incorrect, and your post vindicates my intuition.
Se7en
Rock n' Roll Doggie
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
In general, I think U.S. libertarians are much more compassionate than they're portrayed. They're not Ayn Rand.
Se7en
Rock n' Roll Doggie
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
i doubt it. libertarian capitalism is not my bag.
Maybe it is outside the scope of this thread, but I would be interested as to how you would propose to reconcile implementing a libertarian programme whilst also outlawing capitalism, which in my view is really just the name left-wingers sometimes give to the desire of ordinary people to improve their lives. Possibly, you would define capitalism in a different way.
Se7en
Rock n' Roll Doggie
it's certainly outside the scope of this thread.
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
Well, if you don't engage and explain your arguments, it isn't very likely that they will gain influence.
Se7en
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Well, if you don't engage and explain your arguments, it isn't very likely that they will gain influence.
you'll be happy to know that i'm not very optimistic that they will gain influence regardless.
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
you'll be happy to know that i'm not very optimistic that they will gain influence regardless.
Why would I be happy to know such a thing?
Oh no hold on. I want to crush the workers heads' under the capitalist boot.
That's what you think, Seven, isn't it?
martha
Blue Crack Supplier
Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
This is why we need some sort of an instant-runoff system.
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
I am not a Nader fan, the man has always struck me as entirely self-serving, but I think it's time to get over it.
You surely don't think that those damn Nader voters voted the way they did purely to mess up Gore's chances.
What's more is that Gore couldn't/didn't win his own state. Now it is true that TN has changed a lot since his father was a politician and since Gore lived there full time. But still, he lost by the slimmest margin, if one. This could have been avoided.
A_Wanderer
ONE love, blood, life
They didn't vote for Bush, what have they got to apologise for?
It's utterly moronic to give a candidate 25 EVs if for a plurality of the votes when, if second-choices were counted (not to mention if the election had been done in an ethical manner in the first place), the other major candidate would have a majority of the votes.
Screwtape2
Blue Crack Addict
Agreed. If you want to blame someone for 2000, blame the media for portraying Gore as a boring man without passion. Blame the people who voted on personality not who would be best for the country. Blame the people too dumb to see how good the country was under Clinton.
