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How can you deny euthanasia?
I couldn't find a general euthanasia thread, so I've made this one because this article and pictures nearly brought me to tears.
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![]() There's a poll running on the page, Should Tony Nicklinson be allowed to decide his own fate? Of the 11,691 votes, 95% said yes. Has anyone got a good reason? 'Condemned to a life of torture': UK denies right-to-die legal challenge |
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for the sake of argument, one aspect to consider is the effect of it on doctors -- how do you ask someone to take your life for you? how do you prepare a doctor for that?
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Gosh, I really feel for that man. Thank God I don't know him personally or know anyone in my life with his condition.
I do think he should be given euthanasia so he could be free from the prison that is his body - but I also hesitate. Having this kind of debate or having the government get involved really does open a can of worms, and even hysteria among people, usually those who strongly oppose euthanasia. I can't help but wonder if euthanasia becomes a common practice, some people will be put to sleep who shouldn't be - like those with mental and physical disabilities. I admit that I could be looking too far ahead and maybe have not thought this out very much. But I do think it is a tricky situation, albeit one that needs to be discussed because of this poor man. One thing I could say that this really gives more reason for stem cell research and other advances in science so Nicklinson might be cured or be able to function better. I think its a shame we have not yet come that far to stop people being stricken with such illnesses. If we did have cures, we wouldn't be considering euthanasia. |
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Anyone see Diving Bell and the Butterfly? Great movie. |
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I fully understand some of the gray areas around euthnasia-making sure the person is fully consenting to such a thing (living wills, people), and this may be part of a doctor's job, sure, but it's still likely got to be a tough situation nonetheless. And I can understand government intervention concerns, too. We can all look to the Terri Schaivo case for an example of that part of it all gone horribly wrong. That being said, however, I definitely support the basic concept of euthanasia. If someone is in that much pain, and they want to pull the plug on themselves and get a doctor to help them, I don't see why they shouldn't have the right to make such a decision. It's their body and their choice, let them do it if that's what they want. I feel horrible for that poor man. I hope there's a resolution of some kind to his story and he can finally be at peace somehow. |
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Euthanasia is a very complex issue, and one good example of something that if it is put in place should be very strictly regulated.
It is curious that we are all in favour of allowing our pets a dignified death when they are suffering beyond comprehension and without any chance for improvement, but when it comes to humans, many of us totally lose all rationality with respect to this debate. |
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I don't really know where I stand on this (I do support euth but have no advice on how that should be implemented) but I also find it odd that we can euth our pets for any reason, even just not wanting them anymore, and we can have DNRs for ourselves. Is it really that much different? When my grandma died she had been suffering for decades; I never knew her without pain and suffering. She got ill and....I don't even know how to describe this...we just let her go. We her nurse give her morphine and keep her calm and comfortable but I don't think she was even seen by a doctor and no one considered calling an ambulance or taking her to the hospital. I don't know what she died of and neither does my mom. My grandpa did not have an autopsy done. So we are allowed to do this (which I feel was 100% right) and let people have DNRs but not even consider euthanasia? I'd dare bet that people have "died" from DNRs over conditions not as dire as this poor man's.
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^I suppose it is the difference between passive and active.
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I don't get it....
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Passive, you do not act or provide palliative care only. You let them die.
In active euthanasia, someone would have to introduce the killing agent. |
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exactly. and this is where many doctors find the line. it's one thing to let grandma's pneumonia go untreated while making her as comfortable as possible. it's quite another to administer a paralytic that stops her heart. |
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But if you have a subset of doctors who are willing to administer, say, potassium chloride, then the ones who are not willing to or who have ethical issues are not involved. It's a bit akin to a doctor now choosing not to provide abortions - you can't force one to do it, but there are other ob/gyns who do provide the service. Just because some find it offensive doesn't mean that we don't offer it as a medical service. |
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i've been following this case on the news, and am really torn... having lost loved ones of my own, i just think when they're gone they're gone for a very very long time, and, perhaps selfishly, i would do all i can to have them with me a little longer, just to care for them and be with them if we were dealing with this situation (i.e. physically stable, not terminal, not in pain etc.)... but maybe that's me being selfish, i don't know... i know if it were me locked-in, i would hate to be a burden on my family, but would want to stay with my family as long as i could, watch them grow up and be with them... tough call... poor guy though, it's heartbreaking... i guess it would be nice to have a choice at least... |
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i remember watching a documentary on this particular case. it's harrowing, and brings up much more complex issues surrounding euthanasia and situations that aren't nearly as seemingly simple terminally-ill-and-suffering cases.
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Pretty amazing story.
I think that everyone who has given this any thought at all, from both a moral and legal perspective understands that it is a very, very complex issue. To treat it simply is to not address it at all. But the complexity also doesn't mean that a real dialogue can't and shouldn't be had. There are now jurisdictions where assisted suicide is legal - lessons can be learned, good and bad, from them and how they've addressed the issue. |
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i found the Dax case mind boggling.
do you (in effect) torture a man for 10 years so that he can live, because you know that he will recover from his injuries? or do you let him end his suffering, as is his wish? i know that if i were Dax i probably would want to die. and though i watched the documentary probably 15 years ago, i think he stated that he still wish he had died, despite his wife and law degree and how he has turned his life around. that it still wasn't worth the 10 years of pain. but then if i were Dax's doctor, i don't know if i could have euthanized him. anyway, this is one of those things that keeps me up at night, and as me saying the phrase, "but not for the Grace of God there go I ..." it also makes me wonder about the zombi attack victim in FL. his face is gone, but he's going to live. this is the stuff that gives me nightmares. anyway ... |
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I can understand hesitating if there's a chance for the person to recover. I mentioned Terri earlier, she'd been pretty much brain dead for, what was it, 10, 15 years and the chances of her recovering were exceedingly slim, at best. This guy made an impressive recovery considering the circumstances, he had much more of a chance than she did.
But at the same time, again, if the person wishes for death, I also think it'd be cruel to ignore their wishes and put them through pain for so many years, too. And it sounds like he's still very much haunted by the stuff he went through all those years. I feel bad for him. Fully agreed on this. I don't get it, either. |
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What would have happened if Stephen Hawking had been euthanized years ago? His is almost the same thing - he has ALS and is also paralyzed with no means of communication other than his voice box. What would have happened if Christopher Reeve had been euthanized after his accident? He was also paralyzed from the neck down with no hope of survival....
__________________I am so very very sorry for this poor man's condition but I believe that, instead of wanting to end his life, perhaps he could use his circumstances to help other people in his condition - like Christopher Reeve did. The article said that his mind isn't affected and his condition isn't terminal so I believe that he should fight on. The murder (in my opinion) of Terry Shiavo was an absolutely horrible story. She was alive, she responded to the outside (we all saw her eyes following the balloon over her head) and in the end she was selfishly and cruelly starved to death. You can look at all my posts in the Shiavo thread from a few years ago and you can see how critical I am of euthanasia(sp?) which, in my opinion, is a fancy term for murder. All that being said......if he wants to end his life then he should just do it himself and not involve anyone else who might get prosecuted because of him. However, I really don't want him to die - I hope he lives long enough to be treated and eventually cured. |
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