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Old 09-18-2012, 01:31 PM   #361
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I find it slightly hard to believe you pay 42% in income taxes.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:52 PM   #362
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I find it slightly hard to believe you pay 42% in income taxes.
I was paying probably slightly more than that when I lived in NYC in 2008.
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I find it slightly hard to believe you pay 42% in income taxes.
Romney said he pays between 10-15%. Splitting the difference, I definitely pay at least 36%. More, actually.

But I'm one of those 47%-ers who relies on government to take care of my every need. Including the $240 I pay a month for private health insurance.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:01 PM   #365
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I am sure Romney pays higher per centage on his 'income' than you do on yours. At most you would pay the same.

And I am sure you pay no more on your capital gains, dividend or other such reciepts than Romney or I do for that matter.
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I am sure Romney pays higher per centage on his 'income' than you do on yours. At most you would pay the same.

And I am sure you pay no more on your capital gains, dividend or other such reciepts than Romney or I do for that matter.

All of Romney's income is in capital gains. Which is taxed less than earned income.
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I have dividend income that is taxed at a rate for that type of income. I have had capital gains that is taxed at 15%. And I have 1099 income that is taxed at the graduated percentage based on the amount.

What I am saying is when Romney worked at Bain any wages he was collected he paid more than 15%. And on that 15% he paid on capital gains, some of it can be offset by credits for certain investments. So whatever 'earned income' Romney ever had the books, wages, CEO pay, he paid a lot more than 15% on that portion of the monies he received in any one tax filing year.

It is a bit of a 'word game'. If Clinton had said he did have intercourse with Monica, he would have been telling the truth.

If an NFL player gets paid 10 million a year, he would be taxed at a pretty high rate. If he did not pay it people would call him a tax cheat. If he got injured and was in a wheel chair and collected 10 million in capital gains from investments and paid 15% no one would accuse him of not paying his fair taxes.
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I believe Romney shelters money in foreign banks, and probably has for a long time. Why do you think he doesn't want to release tax returns?

I saw something today about the states with the highest number of people who don't pay income tax. Most of them are red states and only two went for Obama. The rest were for McCain.
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Perhaps Romney's biggest sin was stating that the 47% of people who don't pay income tax are all Obama voters, which is absolutely absurd.
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My opinion on Mitt Romney has gone down by a good third from whatever it was a year ago.

Thinking about this the last 24 hours, it only gets worse.

He says 47% will never vote for him and that he will not try to get their vote.

ok, so the other 53%? how much of that group can he expect to get?

Let's say he gets most of them, 7 out of ten? 8 out of ten? or even 9 out of 10?
Keep in mind there are a lot of rich liberals and successful gay people that are not in the 47% of loafers, takers.

If only 1 in 10 goes for Obama, that would be 5.3% plus 47% or 52.3%.

and we all know Obama will bet more than 10% of the non-takers.


With Romney's pessimistic thinking why would any one give him donations??
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Perhaps Romney's biggest sin was stating that the 47% of people who don't pay income tax are all Obama voters, which is absolutely absurd.

no but the rednecks that support him, that also get some government programs, he let them know that he looks down on them, they should not be taking from the government, that is tax payers money they are getting

they should be shopping around or getting loans from their parents.
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It's a real shame how Romney has sold himself out this way.

There was a time not so long ago when I thought him winning wouldn't be so bad even though I prefer Obama.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:09 PM   #373
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2. “You Didn’t Build That”

The above are stupid remarks that a candidate should never say, even to his supporters.
ok... since April I go and in of keeping a good+ track of the campaign because i'm still dealing w recovery of my right ankle accident/surgery/rehab/ etc (bones very good- last 20% muscle strength/endurance to get back) and issues that were left unattended.

Now wasn't the point of Pres Obama's speech/or answer to a question above comment - wasn't that little piece"edited" - because i do distinctly remember the over idea of that spech and similar was that...

> no big, sucessful highest level corporate persons has steered their or business owner build his/her company alone. There are the highways, roads, bridges that bring their workers to work, take them to meetings, buyings suppplies near by and elsewhere; the public schools that give many of the workers their education; the public water supplies, the...etc <

I'm almost positive that was the geist of what he was saying.
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I believe Romney shelters money in foreign banks, and probably has for a long time. Why do you think he doesn't want to release tax returns?
But remember, we don't need to ask him about them! Even though it'd only be fair play since Obama supporters had to put up with the "birth certificate proof" bullshit for the last couple years, and even though it'd be perfectly fair and reasonable to scrutinize his taxes the way the Republicans seem to feel the need to scrutinize what us lower class people are paying in taxes. I mean, supposedly their only concern is to make sure everyone is paying their "fair share", right? Nothing at all to do with the kind of people who are/aren't paying taxes.

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I saw something today about the states with the highest number of people who don't pay income tax. Most of them are red states and only two went for Obama. The rest were for McCain.
Oh, the irony, eh?

My mom just raised an interesting question-if Romney seems to believe that we're not entitled to things like food or housing or health care or whatever, then why care about what we pay in taxes or whether people are working? 'Cause, apparently, we don't need anything, so it'd be pointless for us to pay in, right?

That clip is just beyond infuriating. I really hope more people see it and it further sinks his chances in November, because someone with that attitude towards certain portions of the population should NOT be running our country.
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Well, technically, the people he was talking about already don't "pay in".
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No, most of us do still pay something, just not as much as others for reasons beyond our control. But our money does still factor in somehow, at the very least up to the state level. And if we are paying anything into the government at a local, state, or federal level, it's not exactly unreasonable to expect something in return for that, right?

Also, wasn't one of the Tea Party's big complaints having to do with paying too much in taxes (supposedly)? Funny how the Republican Party was totally cool with them, but the rest of us are just "freeloaders".
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It's the vilest sort of resentment politics. I'm not American but if various kinds of state and sales taxes were taken into account, is there a single soul in the country who pays literally no tax?
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:06 AM   #378
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Poor Mitt. He can't help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:14 AM   #379
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Well, technically, the people he was talking about already don't "pay in".
False. Caleb, do you honestly believe the entire 47% including the retirees spent all their lives "not paying in"?
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Even this 12 year old can see Romney as he is:

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Dear Governor Romney,
I’d like to say congratulations on winning the republican nomination. But, I wish you stayed in Massachusetts. You’re plan for America isn’t what we need, and would hurt us more than it would help.
First, repealing Obama care and other health plans he’s put in place have helped families across America, including mine. I live in a middle class family, and two years ago my little sister; Kennedy was denied insurance because of her pre-existing condition. This was a huge emotional stress and financial burden on my entire family. Under Obama Care, insurance companies can no longer deny Kennedy and kids like her, the coverage they need and deserve. Because of Obama care my little sister was able to have the several surgeries she needed that helped save her life. Once the President was elected he put Obama Care into action, just like he promised and made it so that you could get insurance with pre-existing conditions. This has made a direct impact on my family. My family is with out a doubt better off now, than we were four years ago!
It is to my understanding that you stated that you were going to repeal Obama Care, including the part I have mentioned, which will take away the insurance we have and need for my sister Kennedy. Why do you think she doesn’t deserve health care? Also, when you were interviewed on “Meet the Press”, you stated that you would NOT repeal this part of Obama Care, but then your campaign backpedalled and on the “Tonight show with Jay Leno”, you said that you WOULD repeal this.
Also, you’re domestic plans (birth control, gay rights etc.) are horrible! Women should get to manage their own health, and if you wonder why you’re not appealing to many women voters, rethink your birth control and women’s’ rights plans. And people should be able to marry whom they want. We built this country so people could have freedom, and not have religious beliefs control them to that length. This country was in no way built on any religion, so we should not create laws that repress the American people in a religious way and hurt our most vulnerable.
Sincerely,
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