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Old 09-04-2012, 07:36 PM   #281
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Here is what Eastwood said about Obama, in order:

- The Obama administration has not done enough to lower unemployment.
- Announced that he was going to close Guantanamo Bay and then decided not to, which Eastwood thought was the correct move.
- Maintained the war in Afghanistan despite the fact that the Russians had failed to maintain a presence there.
- Announced a date for removing troops from Iraq in the future instead of just pulling them all out that day.
- Obama is an attorney, and attorneys spend too much time weighing the issues.
- Obama has gone to universities to talk about student loans.

Is that an accurate list of his "criticisms" of Obama?
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Eastwood was great because he spoke politics like most of us do; no TelePrompTer, no focus group tested phrases, no "stay on message" restraints and with blunt honesty. And in doing so pissed off all the right people -- Obama apologists and the GOP establishment and their inside-the-beltway consultants.
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:42 PM   #283
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These conventions have become scripted, boring and phony. I heard some fine speeches last week but only Clint Eastwood made me laugh out loud (lol for you under-30 folks) and cheer.

"When somebody does not do the job, we gotta let 'em go." That's right!! It happens thousands of times every day in this country and the president is no different.
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Eastwood was great because he spoke politics like most of us do; no TelePrompTer
I really, seriously wish we could let the teleprompter thing go. Many people who give speeches use them, on both sides.

Course, I guess we could all take after Sarah Palin and write on our hands if we absolutely need to, right?
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"When somebody does not do the job, we gotta let 'em go." That's right!! It happens thousands of times every day in this country and the president is no different.
This is not about that. This is about who is going to do a better job: Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?

Now, you can make the argument that Obama's last four years aren't a great indicator of a success, but plenty will make the argument that Mitt Romney, who needed a bailout from the government to get Bain on track, who has been inconsistent in his policy positions, who hired a con artist as a running mate, might not be qualified either.
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Looks like he plays another grumpy old guy in his new movie. It's baseball themed and has Amy Adams, so I'll see it.
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I don't think you read my post clearly. I said even my very conservative father felt the speech was awkward. You seemed to have used my post as an excuse to trump Eastwood.
I did use your post for just such a purpose. Sorry, I was gone for 5 days and needed a starting point.

For me, "awkward" broke through the pre-packaged "show."
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For me, "awkward" broke through the pre-packaged "show."

This seems fair. I just don't think he did the GOP any favors.
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Could have been much worse , could have been Jon Voight.
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Eastwood was great because he spoke politics like most of us do;
Rambling and a little bizarre?
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Bono uses a teleprompter for lyrics for songs he's sung 100 times before
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Eastwood was great because he spoke politics like most of us do.

This doesn't speak particularly well of the much-vaunted "American people." I have a real problem with the way "most of us" speak of politics.

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It took Eastwood to do something the "in the spotlight" American
comedians have failed to to do the past four years.

Slam and mock Obama.


Perhaps you'd like to share a scripture that supports your attitude towards the President. You might check out Romans 13:1 or 1 Timothy 2:1-2.

As much as I disliked President Bush's policies I never found it necessary to slam and mock him.

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I did not know this.
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Eastwood was great because he spoke politics like most of us do; no TelePrompTer, no focus group tested phrases, no "stay on message" restraints and with blunt honesty. And in doing so pissed off all the right people -- Obama apologists and the GOP establishment and their inside-the-beltway consultants.
I can assure you that he did not "speak politics" like anyone I've ever met, here or in real life, left, right, libertarian, or whatever.
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I can assure you that he did not "speak politics" like anyone I've ever met, here or in real life, left, right, libertarian, or whatever.
I feel like Paul Ryan. Here's what I said and what you quoted:

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Eastwood was great because he spoke politics like most of us do;

no TelePrompTer, no focus group tested phrases, no "stay on message" restraints and with blunt honesty.
Digitize, when you "speak politics":

Do you have a TelePrompTer? Do you practice or speak off the cuff?
Do you have a personal focus group?
Do you have "stay on message" rules when you talk or are your opinions your opinions?
Do you consider your speech "honest" or do you walk on eggshells when you talk politics?
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Digitize, when you "speak politics":

Do you have a TelePrompTer? Do you practice or speak off the cuff?
Do you have a personal focus group?
Do you have "stay on message" rules when you talk or are your opinions your opinions?
Do you consider your speech "honest" or do you walk on eggshells when you talk politics?
No, but I do try to think before I speak (though try is the key word; I don't always succeed).
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Mitt Romney tells 533 lies in 30 weeks, Steve Benen documents them

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It took Eastwood to do something the "in the spotlight" American
comedians have failed to to do the past four years.

Slam and mock Obama.


I find this to be sad and rather pathetic. This president has been painted with a Hitler mustache, had a bone put through his nose, been called 'communist' 'muslim' 'jew hater' etc, had umpteen documentaries and books full of lies published about him, been called a liar on the public floor, been called "government nigger", and we won't even go into the signs at the Tea Party rallies; yet you applaud a man that "slams and mocks" him. This is what the apparent "christ-like" base has turned into?

We've come a long way from the vilification of the Dixie Chicks, and all they said is that they weren't proud that he was from Texas.
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Soledad O'Brien To Tea Party's Amy Kremer: Questioning Obama's Love Of America Is 'Code Word For Something Else' (VIDEO)

Now granted this panel seems a little lopsided and some will scream "media bias".

BUT this is a leader of one of the Tea Party organizations, and to me this sums up how much of this world views the Tea Party. She keeps repeating key phrases fed to her by the talking heads and she really doesn't understand what's going on. "One world", "doesn't love country the way WE do", "shining city on a hill", "leading from behind", "heritage"

My hope would be that some will open their eyes and see how empty this rhetoric is. I actually think limited government is a viable platform that deserves a place in the ongoing debate; it's just a shame that there are very few if any intellegent people that have acted as the mouthpiece for this movement. I think the Tea Party is a huge missed opportunity, they allowed their personal hatreds to take over and affect their platform(if it was truly their platform from the beginning) and taint the message.

If one can't see the "coded" message behind phrases like 'doesn't love the way WE do' and 'heritage' then I'm afraid there's no hope.
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Agreed, there's no question we can certainly do to keep our government in check so it doesn't go overboard. The problem is that the Republican Party is so inconsistent on what exactly constitutes "limited government".

And yes, the whole "we love America more" thing is just disgusting and insulting. For god's sake, it's not a fucking competition, and daring to not wear a flag pin or daring to point out the country's flaws or whatever is NOT anti-American.
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And for speeches he's made a thousand times before, and to remind him what city he's in.
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