GOP Nominee 2012 - Pt. 5

[corianderstem]

The Russia joke, if I recall correctly, was based on Palin's comment about how Alaska's proximity to Russia meant she had experience with foreign policy.

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

The Russia joke, if I recall correctly, was based on Palin's comment about how Alaska's proximity to Russia meant she had experience with foreign policy.

Right. And she explained that you can "actually see Russia" from a certain part of Alaska that's very close to Russia and that Russian planes often fly over Alaska.

[Irvine511]

Yes. This happens when Putin rears his head.

All of 'em, Katie.

[Moonlit_Angel]

I have a small bit of Irish in my ancestry. But that's about it. My family ancestry is mostly German.

Originally Posted by corianderstem

The Russia joke, if I recall correctly, was based on Palin's comment about how Alaska's proximity to Russia meant she had experience with foreign policy.

Exactly. Plus, the fact that she's blatantly ignorant in general doesn't help her.

As for the charges towards the Tea Party, well, they were parading around with signs equating Obama with Hitler, there was the infamous "Obama as a voodoo witch doctor" sign, some of them brought into the "He's not born here, he's a secret Muslim who's going to destroy America" mindset...I dunno about you, but all of that sounds pretty racist and bigoted to me.

When it comes to financial issues, I could actually perhaps agree with the Tea Party. Try and lower our debt? Quit passing the economic woes onto the next generation? Get rid of waste in all our various programs? Yeah, I'm on board with all of that. Let's do it.

The problem is they often then turn around and tend to support the GOP economic plans. which as of now only favor giving more tax cuts to the rich and the age-ol' trickle down theory, and those ideas aren't going to help solve the problem one bit. And then when you throw in some of the social ignorance surrounding them like what I noted above with the offensive signs and the birther crap and everything, as well as throwing around the words "socialist", "communist", and "fascist" as if that explains everything about their position and their feelings on Obama, that's when I go, "Okay, get back to me when you come up with logical complaints again."

[Irvine511]

People in Scandinavia seemed to recognize me as one of them (I'm 50% but that 50% is almost 100% pure), and seemed delighted enough that a distant cousin was there for a visit. The other part of me is a mix, but mostly Irish, though I've not been. The result is that I look German and have had to insist to Germans that, no, I actually speak no more than 8 German words, really.

Anyway, while there are aspects of the EU I adore and would happily live there, I'm very happy with my citizenship.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Same here. I definitely do want to travel Europe someday, though. I don't care if it rains a lot in Ireland, that country looks beautiful and it's on my list of countries to hopefully visit in my lifetime.

[deep]

there is an island about 25 miles from my home, we can easily see it from our patios, Russia and Alaska are about that close.

[U2DMfan]

Does your proximity to that island make you an expert on state matters?

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by financeguy

It wasn't a test, but I asked you two incredibly simple questions, and you didn't know the answers. You're an American of partially Irish descent.

If you want to call yourself Irish, fine, it's no biggie, but if you're Irish, then I must be an American as I've visited the US three times and I have some relatives living there. If I wanted to call myself American I would have to live there legally for quite a few years, and then eventually apply for citizenship and in the process have to pass a citizenship test which would ask me probably more difficult questions about US affairs than I've asked you about Irish affairs.

Nothing to do with the topic and ridiculous at this point, so I apologize to everyone else and this is the last I'll say about it.

No biggie but you had to make it so for some reason? In a random chat that had nothing to do with you? I'm Irish American. I'm American-still proud to be so in spite of our never ending flaws and failings. If I have to put labels on myself. I'm not applying for freaking Irish citizenship in FYM or anywhere else. It means so much to me because it means the world to my mother. She couldn't answer your two questions either so I'll tell her she isn't Irish. Would be like a dagger in her heart, because it means that much to her. I don't know how much longer I'll have her around, so it means the world to me because of that. Like the nice guy from Belfast said, no need to be a killjoy.

You can call yourself American, perfectly fine with me. No test from me. I'm an inclusive type of person.

I also operate on a feeling, emotional, heart and soul based level where not everything is a test and there are so many things that can't be intellectually quantified. For me that's necessary and a much more pleasant way to live, in spite of the misery and heartbreak it can lead to at times.

I'm stupid because I read trashy magazines, not Irish because I can't answer your questions-same level of meaninglessness for me frankly.

[anitram]

Don't worry, MrsS, I don't even know who is the president of the country where I was born (and left as a child) so based on the above I would also not pass the test (despite holding that country's citizenship and rights that come along with it, speaking the language fluently and traveling there with relative regularity).

[Diemen]

"No one has ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know this is the place I was born." --Mitt Romney, 8/24/12

And so Romney empowers (and shamelessly panders to) the birther craze, while at the same time being able to deny that he's ever questioned Obama's citizenship. Classy.

[trojanchick99]

What a dumb thing to say. Mitt Romney certainly loves to remind people of his white male privilege.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Oh, for fuck's sake, shut up, Romney. *Puts head in hands*

STOP with the whole "who was really born here" thing, people. For the love of god, JUST STOP IT.

Also, to you, MrsS, 'cause...yeah, seriously, what the hell, FG?

[Pearl]

Yeah, that was harsh FG. You ripped away someone's identity and told them how they see themselves as invalid.

Its like when some immigrants laugh at me when I tell them I'm an American. They say there's no such thing as an American, except for the Native Americans. Nothing can piss me off more because its like they're ripping my skin off and dehumanizing me.

So let MrsS see herself as Irish. Its part of her identity and no one has a right to take it away.

[corianderstem]

(nm - I'll let FG give an explanation if he wants; no need for me to jump in with assumptions)

[deep]

Originally Posted by Pearl

Yeah, that was harsh FG. You ripped away someone's identity and told them how they see themselves as invalid.

Its like when some immigrants laugh at me when I tell them I'm an American. They say there's no such thing as an American, except for the Native Americans. Nothing can piss me off more because its like they're ripping my skin off and dehumanizing me.

So let MrsS see herself as Irish. Its part of her identity and no one has a right to take it away.

jesus, i re-read those exchanges, and I don't see anyone being personally attacked at all



there are valid points about how native peoples were treated, and robbed of everything, if anyone said something like that to me I would tell them they have valid points

as for skin being ripped off, the only time anything like that ever happened to me was when i was a little baby, and it was other so-called Americans that did that to me. (without my permission)

Originally Posted by corianderstem

(nm - I'll let FG give an explanation if he wants; no need for me to jump in with assumptions)

too bad you edited
like I wrote above, I don't see what the fuss is about

[MrsSpringsteen]

I don't think everyone really needs to weigh in on it, I appreciate the supportive posts though. I think for me it's taken in a context, and that's really all I want to say. I think I have the right to do that It was a random friendly post to another person that had nothing to do with him or the thread, and it's like bam-blindsided. Out of nowhere and really not necessary, in my opinion. From now on I'll keep all friendly random comments to myself here, or to PMs. Cause I guess you never know what it can get you.

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by deep

jesus, i re-read those exchanges, and I don't see anyone being personally attacked at all

there are valid points about how native peoples were treated, and robbed of everything, if anyone said something like that to me I would tell them they have valid points

as for skin being ripped off, the only time anything like that ever happened to me was when i was a little baby, and it was other so-called Americans that did that to me. (without my permission)

Deep, you may not agree that anything harsh happened, but I do not think it was necessary for you to mock my post. That's how it came across to me.

MrsS, continue to be yourself. Don't let one bad exchange stop you.

[financeguy]

Originally Posted by deep

jesus, i re-read those exchanges, and I don't see anyone being personally attacked at all

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[yolland]

This is about culture, not gender. I get why it grates on you to hear an American identify herself as "Irish," and I also get why she's bewildered that it grates on you.

I remember a huuuuge Interference flame war on this exact topic several years back (with different posters). Seen a couple real-life confrontations over it too...