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Old 11-16-2014, 08:35 AM   #81
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It's cold today.

Thus proving that global warming does not exist.

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Old 11-16-2014, 04:20 PM   #83
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The thing about the global warming debate is it distracts from bigger problems like soil degradation, deforestation and desertification. The desertification that's happening in the western U.S. has happened elsewhere in the world countless times, many long before fossil fuels were an issue. It's not just because it's hot. It's the result of destructive farming practices. Reducing fossil fuel emissions doesn't solve any of these problems.

Politicians like global warming, on both sides of the issue, because it keeps people pissed at each other and gets them a lot of money in the meantime.
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Well, I certainly think you're for the most part true there.

Look at Jim Imhofe. The man is a buffoon, but if he has one thing right, it's that people pull stuff way out of proportion. It's sensational crap.

Scientist: Sea level is definitely rising, 1-50 meters in 50-300 years.
Media: Sea level is rising 50 meters in 50 years.
Politicians: You are all going to die if you don't vote for me.
Imhofe: Guys relax, the bible says we're good to raep the Earth.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:40 AM   #85
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Well, I certainly think you're for the most part true there.

Look at Jim Imhofe. The man is a buffoon, but if he has one thing right, it's that people pull stuff way out of proportion. It's sensational crap.

Scientist: Sea level is definitely rising, 1-50 meters in 50-300 years.
Media: Sea level is rising 50 meters in 50 years.
Politicians: You are all going to die if you don't vote for me.
Imhofe: Guys relax, the bible says we're good to raep the Earth.
Agreed. But both sides have equal guilt on this one. Trading carbon credits does almost nothing. It just gives politicians the appearance of doing something they can take credit for.

The actual impact is a mouse fart compared to the damage done by Agro chem products. (That's really raeping the planet btw. Significantly impacts the planet's ability to capture carbon , among other things.)

Both sides are in the pocket of agro chem. Republicans take more actual dollars , but there are pretty equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans that except contributions from Monsanto.

The Global warming debate is a distraction. It's the conversation created by politicians, so they don't actually have to do anything.

We need holistic, long term, sustainability in agricultural systems and societal systems as a whole . Unsustainable agricultural practices have the biggest impact on the planet and its ability to do things like capture carbon, or moderate climatic variation.
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Old 12-03-2014, 07:34 PM   #86
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Carbon credits make companies think twice about polluting as much and it's a sneaky way to help make them pay more taxes. If global warming weren't even real, I'd support carbon credits.
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:45 PM   #87
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The mega corporations love these kinds of regulations because it stifles competition. They're the only ones who can actually afford it. Meanwhile accomplishes almost nothing.

Forests capture more carbon than we could ever dream of preventing being put in the atmosphere in the first place. The global warming debate distracts from deforestation, desertification, and soil degradation worldwide. There are real solutions to these kinds of problems,but we focus on what the politicians want us to focus on, namely global warming.

That's because agro chem owns them. If they can keep us focused on global warming, then maybe we completely ignore the most harmful human influence: destructive and unsustainable agricultural practices.

Meanwhile, there are real solutions to these problems on large and small scales. Like weekday they did in the loess plateau in China. Hope in a Changing Climate: http://youtu.be/kK8z0qDtE2g we are definitely getting there in the US west.
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Global warming debate boiled down: 9 out of 10 auto mechanics tell you your car needs new brakes, but you do nothing because your plumber says your mechanics are full of shit.
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Global warming debate boiled down: 9 out of 10 auto mechanics tell you your car needs new brakes, but you do nothing because your plumber says your mechanics are full of shit.
Except, in this case, the mechanics have ignored the fact that the car doesn't have an engine anyway. Soil erosion and deforestation outpace carbon pollution, and they additionally hurt the planet's ability to capture carbon and regulate climate.

I hope our grandkids won't be saying "why did you talk about carbon emissions so much while annually exporting (almost irreplaceable) topsoil by the tonnage?"
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who needs "scientists" telling them what to do with their "facts" and "logic" and "answers"?
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California to go 50% renewable by 20130.

Jerry Brown’s bold climate pledge: California to go 50 percent renewable in just 15 years - Salon.com

All need to know is there an end to carbon dependence...oh oh oh oh woah!
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I should fucking hope they'll be able to meet that target in 18,116 years.
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Except, in this case, the mechanics have ignored the fact that the car doesn't have an engine anyway. Soil erosion and deforestation outpace carbon pollution, and they additionally hurt the planet's ability to capture carbon and regulate climate.

I hope our grandkids won't be saying "why did you talk about carbon emissions so much while annually exporting (almost irreplaceable) topsoil by the tonnage?"
I'm not sure where you read your journal articles, but deforestation and erosion are huge topics in climate science.
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I think he's more speaking about the media, not about scientific journals and publications. The ever so important factor of awareness.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:45 PM   #99
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Global Warming Revisited

This is a very bad idea. Something I can actually agree with liberals on. As a Christian, I don't agree with many of the scientific opinions and have very interesting debates. However, science is absolutely fascinating to study and brings upon very good and educated debates. Keeps both sides of the spectrum educated and informed.
But I worry Ted Cruz will prevent us from further exploring controversial scientific endeavors. Should let someone with a serious scientific background handle that department. This is a very stupid move by the Republican Party. NASA needs to be expanded, not contracted!


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Global Warming Revisited

How do you, as a non-scientist (I assume -- maybe you're a professor of climatology or geology), "disagree" with established, researched science? On what basis do you form your disagreement? What research have you done that enables you to "disagree"? What is the "other side of the spectrum" of science? How can there be another "side"?


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