Global Warming Revisited

[Zoomerang96]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

In the the Earth is at the mercy of Solar Activity Cycles.


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Yeah, it's too bad theres nothing we can do...

[the iron horse]

If this world stands, future generations will view this early 21th century hysteria on global warming as we now view the flat earth view from the past.

Quotes from link:

Claims that 2016 was “the hottest year on record” are drawing sharp criticism from scientists who say it reflects how global warming has become more social crusade than evidence-based science.

“The Obama administration relentlessly politicized science and it aggressively pushed a campaign about that politicized science,” said Steven E. Koonin, who served as under secretary for science in Obama’s Department of Energy from 2009 to 2011.

Scientists Criticize 'Hottest Year on Record' Claim as Hype | RealClearInvestigations

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

If this world stands, future generations will view this early 21th century hysteria on global warming as we now view the flat earth view from the past.



Quotes from link:



Claims that 2016 was “the hottest year on record” are drawing sharp criticism from scientists who say it reflects how global warming has become more social crusade than evidence-based science.



“The Obama administration relentlessly politicized science and it aggressively pushed a campaign about that politicized science,” said Steven E. Koonin, who served as under secretary for science in Obama’s Department of Energy from 2009 to 2011.



Scientists Criticize 'Hottest Year on Record' Claim as Hype | RealClearInvestigations

You're right, if government keeps shutting down the discussion as Trump has with the EPA(which you have unsurprisingly embraced) we will soon become a country that takes conservative websites who opens their argument with a big oil source seriously. We will become the idiocracy this president needs in order to run his agenda, and all of science will become 'flat earth'.

[dabiggestu2fan]

As a scientist myself working in the environmental sector I can assure you that global warming is a very real thing! One needs to just look a the the historical data from the last few decades and see that something is happening! There is no question what so ever that we humans are influencing this, the real question is how much of an effect we have and how fast. And how long can we go on like this before we hit the point of no return. Regardless if you believe in human caused global warming or not, that is not the point, we should all do our part to try and preserve and improve our environment so that our children and grand children can enjoy clean water, beautiful rainforests and the beauty of Mother Nature. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that we are polluting our land, oceans, lakes rivers and the air we so very much depend on to stay alive. You may deny global warming but you can't deny the pollution we are creating.

[dabiggestu2fan]

And people need to understand that as big as the earth may look like, it is STILL a closed system so whatever we pump out into our environment has an effect on the earth. Air pollution such as SOx and NOx and CO/CO2 doesn't just magically disappear into the endless space beyond earth.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

This is what I don't get...

Even if you believe that global warming isn't mad made, and it's something that simply happens every couple hundred years...

It's still nicer living with clean air and water than smog.

So what's the fucking problem one way or the other?

[gareth brown]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

If this world stands, future generations will view this early 21th century hysteria on global warming as we now view the flat earth view from the past.

one of the stupidest things I've ever read here.

[dabiggestu2fan]

Originally Posted by gareth brown

one of the stupidest things I've ever read here.

Yep agreed! Comparing this to flat earthers IS simply beyond ridiculous!

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

This is what I don't get...

Even if you believe that global warming isn't mad made, and it's something that simply happens every couple hundred years...

It's still nicer living with clean air and water than smog.

So what's the fucking problem one way or the other?

It's a child's game of sports team politics. People don't want to admit they're wrong, or that the stuff that the other side supports is maybe correct. It's the opposition's support that inherently establishes their view.

[LemonMelon]

Don't forget, businesses can't thrive unless they are allowed to throw their garbage into the nearest lake.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Don't forget, businesses can't thrive unless they are allowed to throw their garbage into the nearest lake.

I think this also largely ties into the delusion of the American Dream.

If you've bought into the idea that the American Dream is possible for all Americans [if they just worked hard enough], then you are able to dissociate from the reality of your socioeconomic position. This is why you have people in the lower and middle classes endlessly voting against their own self-interest and for the interest of the wealthy. Because they too can one day become [the fake] Joe the Plumber and make 6 figures, maybe even 7, per year and live a very nice and comfortable life. How will your plumbing business succeed if you have all these regulations and taxes??? Can't and won't, so therefore we don't want to impose any sort of cost on any business, big or small.

[Zoomerang96]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

This is what I don't get...

Even if you believe that global warming isn't mad made, and it's something that simply happens every couple hundred years...

It's still nicer living with clean air and water than smog.

So what's the fucking problem one way or the other?

$$$

there's absolutely no other way round it.

and as for iron horse saying that climate change is somehow the equivalent as flat-earth deniers, you're very nearly there. except, of course, that it is you and your fellow deniers that are the flat-earthers.

honestly, in what other aspect of your life do you disagree with vast majority of professional opinion? if 95% of doctors told you that a certain surgery was needed to heal you of an ailment, would you be so sure to go with the 5% who had the opposite opinion?

out of curiosity, do you also deny evolution?

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by Zoomerang96

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out of curiosity, do you also deny evolution?

I'm sure there's a fair amount of overlap.

[Zoomerang96]

Originally Posted by IWasBored

I'm sure there's a fair amount of overlap.

there usually is, in my experience anyway.

what i've also come across lately are the folks who say "yes, we believe in mico-evolution but not macro".

that's quite literally like saying 2+2=4, sure, but 12000+25000 doesn't make 37000

[Zoomerang96]

ironhorse, let's have a chat about climate change or the flat earth that has such sharp edges.

you still haven't responded, and since your eloquent president has recently decided to apply his scientific methods to establish that the paris agreement isn't worthy of the american signature, i would absolutely love to hear your utterly misinformed thoughts on the matter

[BEAL]

You will never get a conversation with him.

[Zoomerang96]

i can still call him out on it

[kiwilad]

Originally Posted by BEAL

You will never get a conversation with him.

Lucky is right, it's cheering for your sports team more than forming a rational view.
I'm sure Anitram's point is correct too, for some, but on the whole I feel if Trump told his minions to start believing in goblins and witches they would.

[Zoomerang96]

Originally Posted by kiwilad

Lucky is right, it's cheering for your sports team more than forming a rational view.
I'm sure Anitram's point is correct too, for some, but on the whole I feel if Trump told his minions to start believing in goblins and witches they would.

i suspect as much, too.

[DaveC]

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