Glenn Beck Has A Dream - Page 26

Vlad n U 2 · 08-29-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by solemole

Q: What is the problem with people being together in commune, eating together, and have everything in common, having sold property and possessions to give anyone who had need?

You communist pig! How dare you preach equality!

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Originally Posted by financeguy

Sorry but with these McCarthyesque ramblings I cannot take you seriously as a poster any more.

I don't think many did to begin with.

solemole · 08-29-2011, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

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Originally Posted by solemole

Q: What is the problem with people being together in commune, eating together, and have everything in common, having sold property and possessions to give anyone who had need?

Like the Manson family?

Um... the latter half of my question was quoted from Acts 2:44, 45 (NIV).

Now, excuse me; I'm gonna go into my time machine and tell Luke and Peter that they had it wrong all along.

BVS · 08-29-2011, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by solemole

Um... the latter half of my question was quoted from Acts 2:44, 45 (NIV).

These parts have been removed from the tea party version of the Bible.

This poster touts the Bible but hasn't been able to recognize many of its teachings before, touts Reagan but has believed the revision over the truth, and touts conservatism but really embraces the right wing paranoia of the talking heads. How much of it's true, hard to tell, but in here he's turned into the person that calls the man that said Irene is a blessing "far from crazy or uninformed".

solemole · 08-29-2011, 06:31 AM

I'm offended, BVS, that you referred me as "this poster" ... surely, you're not talking about me, are you?

Fix the grammar, will ya?

You got a misdirecting referent pronoun.

BVS · 08-29-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by solemole

I'm offended, BVS, that you referred me as "this poster" ... surely, you're not talking about me, are you?

Fix the grammar, will ya?

You got a misdirecting referent pronoun.

Did you ever refer to Glenn Beck as being "far from crazy or uninformed"?

solemole · 08-29-2011, 06:51 AM

WTF?

You're seriously referring to me, and not Indy?

No.. I never referred to Glenn Beck "far from crazy or uninformed"... not as far as I remember.

Besides, I don't participate in FYM arguments much. Usually I make nonsequiturs.

This is fishy, AFAIC.

solemole · 08-29-2011, 06:55 AM

From search on my posts with the word "Glenn Beck", here are the results i get:

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post6709215

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post6946013

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7097502

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7132588

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7339669

solemole · 08-29-2011, 06:55 AM

So WTF?

solemole · 08-29-2011, 07:00 AM

I'm pro-Krugman and pro-Olbermann, how much proof do you need?

Hello?... I feel like I deserve an apology.

solemole · 08-29-2011, 07:07 AM

This is what you were referring to:

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7336918

And I don't think I was a part of the conversation back then.

smh.

BVS · 08-29-2011, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by solemole

Hello?... I feel like I deserve an apology.

I asked you that question so that you would know that I obviously wasn't referring to you.

Of course I was referring to INDY. Maybe it wasn't obvious enough, I thought all the context clues were right there? I'm not sure how I could have been more obvious. You never said that about Beck, I can't remember you touting Reagan... so I'm perplexed as to why this reaction.

Maybe it's too early on a Monday morning

I apologize if you misunderstood me.

solemole · 08-29-2011, 07:44 AM

Well, for one, you might have mentioned Indy before using the word "this poster." Otherwise, it seemed there was only one person you were referring to, since you only quoted me.

But in any case, I'm sorry for the rant and misunderstanding your 2nd reply on the last page.

So Shirley, I accept your apology and I apologize as well.

MrsSpringsteen · 08-31-2011, 09:20 AM

Glenn Beck Colored | Glenn Beck African American | Video | Mediaite

On his radio show today, Glenn Beck tackled a particularly sticky issue when it comes to race. How does it make any sort of sense, he wanted to know, to refer to all black persons as “African American,” particularly when so many black individuals don’t live in the U.S.?

Beck notes that, in South Africa, recognized races and ethnicities include black and “colored” (Wikipedia explains the term thusly: “In the South African, Namibian, Zambian, Botswana and Zimbabwean context, the term Coloured (also known as Bruinmense, Kleurlinge or Bruin Afrikaners in Afrikaans) refers to an ethnic group of mixed race people who often possess some sub-Saharan African ancestry but not enough to be considered Black, either by themselves or by others.”)

So is the term “colored,” Beck and co. wondered, really such a “bad thing” as we’re lead to believe? “Only here,” he lamented, referring to the U.S. “Why are we made to feel bad?” He has a theory:

“African American” was not made to do anything except try to create a super man. “Oh don’t you dare feel bad about yourself! You’re African American!” No. You’re an American. Instead of building the country up and saying, “Lookit. We all have the right, here in this country… Look at what happened with Martin Luther King. That makes you an American. ‘Judge not by the color of your skin.’” And you weren’t over in Africa! Your great-great-great grandfather was, your great-great-great-great grandfather may have been, but you weren’t!

And sure this country sucked for blacks. Sucked. Beyond sucked, for a long time. But it doesn’t now. It doesn’t now. Be proud to be an American."

He added that all the PC labels we have for another end up making Americans afraid to speak with one another, because Americans don’t inherently want to offend one another. We want to say the “right” thing and take the kindest course of action, but we’re impeded by our fear of offending one another. His advice? Have no fear and “dismiss these human rights frauds.”

Irvine511 · 08-31-2011, 09:54 AM

doesn't everyone know that slavery was God's/The Founding Father's (praise be upon them) plan?

sure, it "sucked," but at least those Africans were brought to where Jesus lives (the American South) and given the gift of eternal life and the ability to become rappers and basketball players while those who remained in Africa remained set in their animalistic, pagan ways and continue to suffer from not having the advantages of a Judeo-Christian society. if anything, it's they who should be paying reparations to us.

i mean, really, all-in-all, kind of a good thing, right guys? ignoring the 300m or so who died over the course of the slave trade and the colonialization of Africa that lead to the rise of murderous dictators like Mobutu and Mugabe?

African's got saved, y'all. and, better, they got to become Americans.

Pearl · 08-31-2011, 10:19 AM

And there's plenty of Americans who agree with Beck. Didn't Pat Buchanan say something similar?

BVS · 08-31-2011, 10:38 AM

Beck has tried several times to come off as post racial and every time in doing so is very much racial and completely ignorant of this irony.

You don't tell a group that a situation "doesn't suck" for them anymore. If you have to try and convince them then something is obviously wrong.

Why spend so much energy trying to justify or defend the use of "colored"? First of all what color are they? White people come in all shades, we don't try and justify some other term. In using the term "colored" you're basically saying that white is the norm and that black people or brown people are a variation of the norm.

MrsSpringsteen · 08-31-2011, 10:43 AM

I would think that no one would want to ever use or defend that term, considering it all goes back to the separate "colored" fountains and separate everything. Every time I see that it still makes me cringe and I can't believe things were that way in our history.

yolland · 08-31-2011, 11:19 AM

I suppose the rant he intended to make was against identity politics, which is a standard enough conservative complaint, but as usual what comes out is a weirdly disjointed mishmash of only vaguely related issues. Not that his ideas aren't often problematic through to offensive in their own right, but it's the extreme ADHD disjointedness that really stumps me when trying to understand his appeal. There are far more cogent critics of 'the Left' out there than this. You can't really even formulate a proper critical response to his rants, as opposed to pointing out specific factual errors or offensive statements, because they're simply too careening and unstructured to offer a way in.

Irvine511 · 08-31-2011, 12:45 PM

hey, hey, hey.

he's just a man askin' questions. is that now against the law in Obama's America?

the iron horse · 10-08-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

hey, hey, hey.

he's just a man askin' questions. is that now against the law in Obama's America?

Agree.

I like some of the stuff he says.

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08-29-2011, 06:31 AM	#504
solemole War Child Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a series of dreams Posts: 580 Local Time: 07:53 PM	I'm offended, BVS, that you referred me as "this poster" ... surely, you're not talking about me, are you? Fix the grammar, will ya? You got a misdirecting referent pronoun.

08-29-2011, 06:51 AM	#506
solemole War Child Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a series of dreams Posts: 580 Local Time: 07:53 PM	WTF? You're seriously referring to me, and not Indy? No.. I never referred to Glenn Beck "far from crazy or uninformed"... not as far as I remember. Besides, I don't participate in FYM arguments much. Usually I make nonsequiturs. This is fishy, AFAIC.

08-29-2011, 06:55 AM	#507
solemole War Child Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a series of dreams Posts: 580 Local Time: 07:53 PM	From search on my posts with the word "Glenn Beck", here are the results i get: http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post6709215 http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post6946013 http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7097502 http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7132588 http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7339669

08-29-2011, 06:55 AM	#508
solemole War Child Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a series of dreams Posts: 580 Local Time: 07:53 PM	So WTF?

08-29-2011, 07:00 AM	#509
solemole War Child Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a series of dreams Posts: 580 Local Time: 07:53 PM	I'm pro-Krugman and pro-Olbermann, how much proof do you need? Hello?... I feel like I deserve an apology.

08-29-2011, 07:07 AM	#510
solemole War Child Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a series of dreams Posts: 580 Local Time: 07:53 PM	This is what you were referring to: http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7336918 And I don't think I was a part of the conversation back then. smh.

08-29-2011, 07:44 AM	#512
solemole War Child Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a series of dreams Posts: 580 Local Time: 07:53 PM	Well, for one, you might have mentioned Indy before using the word "this poster." Otherwise, it seemed there was only one person you were referring to, since you only quoted me. But in any case, I'm sorry for the rant and misunderstanding your 2nd reply on the last page. So Shirley, I accept your apology and I apologize as well.

08-31-2011, 09:20 AM	#513
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,629 Local Time: 08:53 PM	Glenn Beck Colored \| Glenn Beck African American \| Video \| Mediaite On his radio show today, Glenn Beck tackled a particularly sticky issue when it comes to race. How does it make any sort of sense, he wanted to know, to refer to all black persons as “African American,” particularly when so many black individuals don’t live in the U.S.? Beck notes that, in South Africa, recognized races and ethnicities include black and “colored” (Wikipedia explains the term thusly: “In the South African, Namibian, Zambian, Botswana and Zimbabwean context, the term Coloured (also known as Bruinmense, Kleurlinge or Bruin Afrikaners in Afrikaans) refers to an ethnic group of mixed race people who often possess some sub-Saharan African ancestry but not enough to be considered Black, either by themselves or by others.”) So is the term “colored,” Beck and co. wondered, really such a “bad thing” as we’re lead to believe? “Only here,” he lamented, referring to the U.S. “Why are we made to feel bad?” He has a theory: “African American” was not made to do anything except try to create a super man. “Oh don’t you dare feel bad about yourself! You’re African American!” No. You’re an American. Instead of building the country up and saying, “Lookit. We all have the right, here in this country… Look at what happened with Martin Luther King. That makes you an American. ‘Judge not by the color of your skin.’” And you weren’t over in Africa! Your great-great-great grandfather was, your great-great-great-great grandfather may have been, but you weren’t! And sure this country sucked for blacks. Sucked. Beyond sucked, for a long time. But it doesn’t now. It doesn’t now. Be proud to be an American." He added that all the PC labels we have for another end up making Americans afraid to speak with one another, because Americans don’t inherently want to offend one another. We want to say the “right” thing and take the kindest course of action, but we’re impeded by our fear of offending one another. His advice? Have no fear and “dismiss these human rights frauds.”

08-31-2011, 09:54 AM	#514
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,222 Local Time: 08:53 PM	doesn't everyone know that slavery was God's/The Founding Father's (praise be upon them) plan? sure, it "sucked," but at least those Africans were brought to where Jesus lives (the American South) and given the gift of eternal life and the ability to become rappers and basketball players while those who remained in Africa remained set in their animalistic, pagan ways and continue to suffer from not having the advantages of a Judeo-Christian society. if anything, it's they who should be paying reparations to us. i mean, really, all-in-all, kind of a good thing, right guys? ignoring the 300m or so who died over the course of the slave trade and the colonialization of Africa that lead to the rise of murderous dictators like Mobutu and Mugabe? African's got saved, y'all. and, better, they got to become Americans.

08-31-2011, 10:19 AM	#515
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 08:53 PM	And there's plenty of Americans who agree with Beck. Didn't Pat Buchanan say something similar?

08-31-2011, 10:38 AM	#516
BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,232 Local Time: 07:53 PM	Beck has tried several times to come off as post racial and every time in doing so is very much racial and completely ignorant of this irony. You don't tell a group that a situation "doesn't suck" for them anymore. If you have to try and convince them then something is obviously wrong. Why spend so much energy trying to justify or defend the use of "colored"? First of all what color are they? White people come in all shades, we don't try and justify some other term. In using the term "colored" you're basically saying that white is the norm and that black people or brown people are a variation of the norm.

08-31-2011, 10:43 AM	#517
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,629 Local Time: 08:53 PM	I would think that no one would want to ever use or defend that term, considering it all goes back to the separate "colored" fountains and separate everything. Every time I see that it still makes me cringe and I can't believe things were that way in our history.

08-31-2011, 11:19 AM	#518
yolland Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,471 Local Time: 01:53 AM	I suppose the rant he intended to make was against identity politics, which is a standard enough conservative complaint, but as usual what comes out is a weirdly disjointed mishmash of only vaguely related issues. Not that his ideas aren't often problematic through to offensive in their own right, but it's the extreme ADHD disjointedness that really stumps me when trying to understand his appeal. There are far more cogent critics of 'the Left' out there than this. You can't really even formulate a proper critical response to his rants, as opposed to pointing out specific factual errors or offensive statements, because they're simply too careening and unstructured to offer a way in.

08-31-2011, 12:45 PM	#519
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,222 Local Time: 08:53 PM	hey, hey, hey. he's just a man askin' questions. is that now against the law in Obama's America?