"Five Jihadists have reached their target under Barack Obama..."

[Popmartijn]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

In the over seven years after 9/11 under George W. Bush, how many terrorists reached their target in the United States? Zero!

Hmm, I don't know about you but I think that the 2001 shoe bomber still has an impact on people flying today. People still need to take off their shoes before going through security.
So that's at least one that immediately popped up in my head.

[LemonMirrorSky]

Originally Posted by Dfit00

I fail to understand how everything that happens in the US is fault of a president's administration.

Yeah exactly! How convenient it is to blame Bush or Obama... "It happened on your watch!!! Bastard!" You know, presidents inherit all the things that have gone wrong from previous presidents too. Very difficult to make blanket statements like that.

Besides, everything is interconnected. The Boston bombings probably wouldn't have happened if the pointless Iraq war hadn't happened. 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened if US foreign policy had been straight in the first place. The US has killed more people worldwide than any other nation on earth. Economic Hit Men. Look it up!

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by LemonMirrorSky

Yeah exactly! How convenient it is to blame Bush or Obama... "It happened on your watch!!! Bastard!" You know, presidents inherit all the things that have gone wrong from previous presidents too. Very difficult to make blanket statements like that.

Besides, everything is interconnected. The Boston bombings probably wouldn't have happened if the pointless Iraq war hadn't happened. 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened if US foreign policy had been straight in the first place. The US has killed more people worldwide than any other nation on earth. Economic Hit Men. Look it up!

That book is conspiratorial nonsense.

[LemonMirrorSky]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

That book is conspiratorial nonsense.

That is what I've heard some people say. Who knows who to believe anymore.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Post a terrorist attack that happened after 9/11.

You answer that question
and then you can ask me one

What about the hundreds upon hundreds of terrorist attacks in Iraq, carried out as a direct result of the Bush administrations policies? Do those not count?

Why not?

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Post a terrorist attack that happened after 9/11.

You answer that question
and then you can ask me one

Anthrax? DC Snipers?

Not only did you set up silly goalposts in hopes of narrowing the conversation into a bizarre window, you also are straight up wrong in saying that there was no terrorism after 9/11 under Bush. Four hundred and seventeen strikes and you're out, Iron Horse.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by elevated_u2_fan

Yeah, Bush happens to be president for the single largest act of terrorism on US soil but gets a pass for the next seven years.

And what alot of people don'tb know/remember is that the Clinton Admin kept warning inccoming GW Bush Admin about Bin Laden!

[U2DMfan]

Originally Posted by LemonMirrorSky

Who knows who to believe anymore.

Start with the facts first. Facts are facts. Not what you or anyone else chooses to believe. Doing that alone eliminates most options w/r/t whom to believe. Then, use common sense.

If you do those two things, diligently, and you understand that the world is chaotic and doesn't actually make any ordered sense, it's going to be pretty hard to fall into conspiratorial nonsense.

Most conspiracy crap (or more generally - mythology) comes from trying to put order over chaos.

The world is chaotic. There is no single Big Bad Villain with which to associate all of our fears so that we may work together to topple it over.

It's that simple. Really. Not trying to be condescending here, just trying to be helpful.

[U2DMfan]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Post a terrorist attack that happened after 9/11.

You answer that question
and then you can ask me one

Terrorist attacks o' plenty.

De3c 2001, Anthrax attacks.
July 4th 2002, Egyptain guy kills two Israeli people at LAX.
October 2002, DC Sniper
October 2005, man detonates bomb near stadium at Oklahoma football game.
March 2006, Iranian-born man drives SUV into crowd of people in NC, injuring 9.
August 2006. In San Fran, Afghani man hits 19 pedestrians with his SUV, killing 1 injuring 15.
October 2007, a pair of improvised grenades are thrown at the Mexican consulate in NYC.
March 2008, bomb goes off in Times Square.
April 2008, bomb goes off at the Fed Express building in San Diego.
July 2008, Knoxville shooting involving Unitarian wacko. Kills 2.
October 2008, suicide bomber in Dalton, GA, injured 4.

I'll let someone else ask you the question.

[deep]

Originally Posted by U2DMfan

Terrorist attacks o' plenty.

De3c 2001, Anthrax attacks.
July 4th 2002, Egyptain guy kills two Israeli people at LAX.
October 2002, DC Sniper
October 2005, man detonates bomb near stadium at Oklahoma football game.
March 2006, Iranian-born man drives SUV into crowd of people in NC, injuring 9.
August 2006. In San Fran, Afghani man hits 19 pedestrians with his SUV, killing 1 injuring 15.
October 2007, a pair of improvised grenades are thrown at the Mexican consulate in NYC.
March 2008, bomb goes off in Times Square.
April 2008, bomb goes off at the Fed Express building in San Diego.
July 2008, Knoxville shooting involving Unitarian wacko. Kills 2.
October 2008, suicide bomber in Dalton, GA, injured 4.

I'll let someone else ask you the question.

one question for you,

that is a pretty good list, where did you find it? did you verify* any of it?

(ok, that's two questions)

I just did the last one, and found this

JNF- Breaking News: Bomb injures lawyers in Dalton, GA | Headline | JusticeNewsFlash Release

that hardly qualifies as a 'terrorist attack'.

[PhilsFan]

You are the worst.

[Popmartijn]

Originally Posted by deep

one question for you,

that is a pretty good list, where did you find it? did you verify* any of it?

(ok, that's two questions)

I just did the last one, and found this

JNF- Breaking News: Bomb injures lawyers in Dalton, GA | Headline | JusticeNewsFlash Release

that hardly qualifies as a 'terrorist attack'.

For the original post in this thread this doesn't matter. The "underwear bomber" and "Times Square bomber" never had their bombs actually detonated and killing people. Still, the original post wants to claim them as an attack, so that Dalton attack should be considered of equal weight.

[PhilsFan]

WRONG THREAD. Whoops.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Diemen

What about the hundreds upon hundreds of terrorist attacks in Iraq, carried out as a direct result of the Bush administrations policies? Do those not count?

Why not?

I thought the topic was about attacks on American soil, but I see
your point.

I disgreed with President Bush's policy of trying to impose democracy
in Iraq. I think it would have been better if the country had been equally
divided among the Shiites, Sunnis, and the Kurds.

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I thought the topic was about attacks on American soil, but I see
your point.

I disgreed with President Bush's policy of trying to impose democracy
in Iraq. I think it would have been better if the country had been equally
divided among the Shiites, Sunnis, and the Kurds.

Ha yeah it was and I proved how ridiculous that was too. How about it?

[U2DMfan]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I thought the topic was about attacks on American soil...

And you asked for examples and they were given and yet you didn't even respond to them. Would almost make me think that you aren't actually interested in having a discussion about the topic.

I'd almost suggest that you are trolling. I don't know that you ever engage in any of the other subforums either. Maybe you do, I just never see it. I do know that you post litanies of effective propaganda here in FYM, if it's religious or political and you don't engage when people want to discuss those things with you. How is that not 'trolling' defined?

P.S. (for the thread)
I didn't "find" that list - I made it.

[BVS]

I have to say, I'm used to iron horse's non-response. But it always bothers me when the OP never replies. It seems like trolling at that point.