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Old 11-12-2013, 10:17 PM   #781
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We just disagree about the inherent disgustingness of lotus birth,
I'm beginning to suspect that you haven't read a number of the posts here.

In which case moving on is probably for the best.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:20 PM   #782
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Yeah Jeevey. Get it together. Let FYM mom-shame and discuss the non-consciousness of babies in peace.
I don't appreciate that snarky tone, and you also missed the point of what I was saying.

But whatever. No need to beat a dead horse.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:24 PM   #783
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there it is again.
This isn't an opinion based conversation. Its a health issue. There is a right answer and you're terribly misinformed.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:28 PM   #784
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As an aside, what the hell is "mom-shaming"?

Is that like a thing these days?
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:32 PM   #785
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Nathan thinks that moms should be able to do whatever they want and be free of ridicule. It's her baby. Back off!

And facts about the lack of consciousness in babies is dehumanizing. Let's ignore the facts! His ignorance makes him feel warm and fuzzy
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:58 PM   #786
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As an aside, what the hell is "mom-shaming"?

Is that like a thing these days?
Read the previous comments directed at this woman (and at Jeavey) and I think you'll have a pretty good idea.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:04 PM   #787
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facts about the lack of consciousness in babies is dehumanizing. Let's ignore the facts! His ignorance makes him feel warm and fuzzy
Having held three of my newborn babies and a baby born still born, I can assure you, there is assuredly a difference between a conscious newborn and not.

You ignorant little prick.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:16 PM   #788
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Read the previous comments directed at this woman (and at Jeavey) and I think you'll have a pretty good idea.
No, actually I don't.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:21 PM   #789
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No, actually I don't.
Of course not.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:32 PM   #790
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Of course not.
Maybe you can explain it instead of making the assumption everyone's just disagreeing with you for the sake of it.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:42 PM   #791
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Maybe you can explain it instead of making the assumption everyone's just disagreeing with you for the sake of it.
I posted the various comments two or three pages ago.

People can read.
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Is your line of thinking that using profanity automatically constitutes mom-shaming? Or is it that moms should not be criticized for how they raise their children? I'm utterly at a lost.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:10 AM   #793
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Is your line of thinking that using profanity automatically constitutes mom-shaming?
No. Mom-shaming constitutes mom-shaming.

"Fucking moron."

"That woman is an idiot."

"Idiotic."

"Insane."

"Dick hooks."

"People like these should be barred from ever having children."

And the more colorful commentaries since.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:33 AM   #794
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Having held three of my newborn babies and a baby born still born, I can assure you, there is assuredly a difference between a conscious newborn and not.

You ignorant little prick.
That means nothing. You don't know what you're talking about. Don't flaunt your ignorance. Help yourself to a science book because you sound like an idiot. The difference between a live baby and a dead one does not equal the difference between consciousness and not. Your appeal to emotions is worthless, but not unexpected.

Ignorant little prick? Hahaha Alright, tough guy
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:46 AM   #795
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No. Mom-shaming constitutes mom-shaming.

"Fucking moron."

"That woman is an idiot."

"Idiotic."

"Insane."

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"People like these should be barred from ever having children."

And the more colorful commentaries since.
If you think calling out an idiot for putting her child a risk is mom-shaming, your values are pretty fucking twisted
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:24 AM   #796
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Having held three of my newborn babies and a baby born still born, I can assure you, there is assuredly a difference between a conscious newborn and not.

You ignorant little prick.
Conscious in the strictest, most basic sense of the word. You're talking about the difference between an alive baby and a dead baby (I'm not trying to be insensitive here, sorry if it comes across that way).

What me (and I think JT and Peef and Pearl and Anitram) are trying to say is that there are no benefits to leaving a piece of dead tissue attached. A baby that is born into a puddle of water or a baby born and left with the umbilical cord attached is not going to be any different to a baby that isn't. Babies are conscious, yes, but they don't have the same level of consciousness as a five year old or a teen or an adult. Otherwise we'd all remember being born.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:50 AM   #797
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To be fair, that handicapped kid should not be killing whales in a suburban neighbourhood
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:50 AM   #798
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Here's some easy reading for Nathan so he can - ironically, given his previous comments - stop speaking from a literal and profound ignorance of reality. Of course, there's always the chance he just has a completely rudimentary, 5th grade understanding of what consciousness means, but I'm hopeful he can actually learn something either way.

Traces of Adults' Consciousness in Babies' Brains, Study Shows | TIME.com

Best of luck!
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:51 AM   #799
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Babies are conscious, yes,
A newborn baby does not experience conscious thought
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A newborn baby does not experience conscious thought
I know that, I meant conscious as in "alive"... wrong word.
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