Feel ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED stories

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by jeevey

Yeah, it might have been. I don't even know why there needs to be 'opposing sides' here, let alone the kind of heat that has been in these last responses. All I'm saying is that lotus birth is an unusual cultural practice and its risks are tiny, because the cord quickly dries to the same kind of dry rope as an ordinary umbilical stump, and the placenta is not kept in direct contact with the baby. I do think this woman should have salted her placenta, though. But we routinely engage in birth practices that are measurably dangerous and we don't call them absolutely disgusting.

What do you mean there doesn't need to be "opposing sides"? We should just go along with it? You can't say the risks are tiny. Not enough people engage in this sort of behaviour to draw any conclusions. The placenta is in direct contact with the baby. It's tethered to the thing! It's a lump of decomposing flesh kept in the same room with the baby. That should be enough right there. Just because something is 'unusual' or 'cultural' (is it really cultural?) doesn't mean we have to treat it with respect. What other completely unnecessary birth practices do you think are on par with this?

Some things are inherently disgusting, like violence and the deliberate harm of other people. But disgust is largely a learned emotion, and I'm just saying lotus birth belongs in the second category rather than the first.

There you go again. Nobody here is opposing it because we're grossed out by it. Take my words at face value and stop imposing non existent values onto me

[Jive Turkey]

The majority of the heat this is getting isn't directed at you, it's directed at the irresponsible parents

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by jeevey

Yeah, it might have been. I don't even know why there needs to be 'opposing sides' here, let alone the kind of heat that has been in these last responses. All I'm saying is that lotus birth is an unusual cultural practice and its risks are tiny, because the cord quickly dries to the same kind of dry rope as an ordinary umbilical stump, and the placenta is not kept in direct contact with the baby. I do think this woman should have salted her placenta, though. But we routinely engage in birth practices that are measurably dangerous and we don't call them absolutely disgusting.

Some things are inherently disgusting, like violence and the deliberate harm of other people. But disgust is largely a learned emotion, and I'm just saying lotus birth belongs in the second category rather than the first.

In FYM, everything can be met with an opposition, no matter how small. This is a place for debate, in other words.

In regards to this topic, I may need to do research a bit, but it seems like in every culture throughout history, babies had their umbilical cords snapped once they were out of their mothers and the placenta discarded. This story sounds a lot like the practice of delivering babies while the mother sits in a tub of water. Supposedly, it gives the effect of being in the womb and eases the transition for the baby. Which is odd, considering that for millennia, babies came out of the mothers into the dry, cold air with no problem. They don't have the conscious mind of older humans, so they never had remembered a damn thing. Therefore, all these new delivery methods are bizarre and pointless.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

There you go again. Nobody here is opposing it because we're grossed out by it. Take my words at face value and stop imposing non existent values onto me

I agree this is really annoying.

Before my current career I was dead set on a path to finish a PhD in immunology. I did my research in one of the best children's research hospitals in the world, for a principal researcher who has a disease named after him. Really great, impressive stuff (him, not me).

So it's not some kind of disgust because I'm a westerner (as an aside, I didn't grow up in the west), but because it is plain fact that a placenta is verving with bacteria very shortly after birth. Putting it in a bag is completely unsanitary. Salting it would improve the situation to some extent but certainly not to acceptable levels as is evidenced by rates of food-borne illness even among salted/cured meats.

[Galeongirl]

There's a reason why the umbilical cord is cut. This has nothing to do with beliefs or other mumbo jumbo but with basic hygiene. Ignoring that is just plain stupid and it DOES have high risks for the baby as dead tissue decomposes quickly and attracts all sorts of germs and insects. So it's not because it's 'icky' but it's because it's actually pretty dangerous to your newborn's health.

As a parent you have the responsibility for your kid's health. Be fucking responsible. HOw you want to give birth is one thing, but leaving the cord AND the placenta has no added positive value and a whole lot of risks so it's just plain retarded.

[anitram]

Other nuggets of wisdom from this woman:

The sun has such great healing powers that it actually purges anything out of the human body that should not be there, not create a state of disease crisis but sometimes creates a healing crisis in the form of the big C word.

‘Anything that shouldn’t be there’ includes a whole array of man-made, toxic chemicals, many of which are located in your average sun cream. It is interesting to note that Australia, one of the biggest countries for using sun screen protection also has one of the highest rates of skin cancer.

These chemicals often cause allergic reactions in many people as well as blocking the body’s pores which form part of the lymphatic drainage system, this is how the body cleanses its internal environment and regulates the body temperature, through sweating.

Beware sunglasses! They were originally invented for pilots flying high in the atmosphere where there is high, unnatural UV exposure. They have no practical use on land other than as a fashion statement or disguise. It is as important for your eyes as for your skin to allow the retinas to receive the full sunlight spectrum directly.

On being anti-vaccination:

What may you ask would I do then if my child contracted one of these diseases?

Well firstly I would visit a homeopathic practitioner to ease the symptoms using a ‘like CURES like’ principal and secondly I rest assured in the knowledge that because of the general advancement in health care, it is now very rare that anyone is permanently damaged from contracting such childhood diseases. Furthermore, I continue to do my utmost to build his immune system using natural, raw living foods, juices and herbs and steer clear of food chemicals, refined sugars, dairy, meat and processed grains…more about diet and natural health promotion to follow in other blogs.

NB: since writing this blog my child has contracted both Scarlet fever and Chicken Pox. We used solely natural methods for managing the symptoms whilst his body healed itself and this resulted in a non-traumatic and speedy recovery. Since then his health has been exceptionally good.

[Pearl]

In that XOJane article, she talks about child-led parenting, where the kid "guides" their parents in how raise them. In other words, her kid walks all over her.

[Galeongirl]

Anti sunglasses? Is this chick for real?

[PhilsFan]

It is important for your eyes to receive the full spectrum of the sun's rays as you crash your car into the median because you can't see. You know, for your health.

[Galeongirl]

And direct sunlight is not at all proven to be harmful for your retinas or something...

[Jive Turkey]

Anti-vaccine and pro-homeopathy. I've heard enough

[Jive Turkey]

NB: since writing this blog my child has contracted both Scarlet fever and Chicken Pox. We used solely natural methods for managing the symptoms whilst his body healed itself and this resulted in a non-traumatic and speedy recovery. Since then his health has been exceptionally good.

Some people are completely unfit for being parents.

[cobl04]

Has she not heard of the ozone layer? What an idiot...

[jeevey]

Originally Posted by Pearl

They don't have the conscious mind of older humans, so they never had remembered a damn thing. Therefore, all these new delivery methods are bizarre and pointless.

Babies are totally conscious. Like anyone, they get a little glazed if they don't get a lot of direct eye contact and good communication. A well nurtured baby is clearly a conscious little being who wants to communicate with other people.

I had water births and they were lovely: much, much better than my regular hospital birth, which was ideal by regular standards. People choose them for many reasons, only one of which is the gentler transition to the outside world. Maybe there should be a birth practices thread, though, cause this is off the rails.

Back on topic, I thought this event was pretty disgusting. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/12/us...ture.html?_r=0

A small meeting of a group seeking tougher gun laws was interrupted Saturday at a suburban Dallas restaurant when the woman who helped organize it saw something outside that startled her: at least two dozen men and women in the parking lot with shotguns, hunting rifles, AR-15s and AK-47s.

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by jeevey

Babies are totally conscious. Like anyone, they get a little glazed if they don't get a lot of direct eye contact and good communication. A well nurtured baby is clearly a conscious little being who wants to communicate with other people.

No, they are not conscious like older children and even adults. They don't the same memory range as those age groups, for example. The infant brain is so much different from older children and adults.

I had water births and they were lovely: much, much better than my regular hospital birth, which was ideal by regular standards. People choose them for many reasons, only one of which is the gentler transition to the outside world. Maybe there should be a birth practices thread, though, cause this is off the rails.

No need for that because this topic would've died quickly if you hadn't made comments that were baffling.

Back on topic, I thought this event was pretty disgusting. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/12/us...ture.html?_r=0

Are you trying to change the subject to avoid more conflict? That's not very wise and you're only continuing to frustrate people here.

[cobl04]

Well they're conscious, sure, but what this woman is doing is over the top and dangerous. That kid, when it's 10 years old, is not going to look back and go "I'm so glad they didn't cut my umbilical cord for a week, I'm a much better person for it." It's ridiculous.

[Jive Turkey]

Pearl is right. Babies are not conscious in the way that a mature adult or even a toddler is, if at all

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by Pearl

this topic would've died quickly if you hadn't made comments that were baffling.

Are you trying to change the subject to avoid more conflict? That's not very wise and you're only continuing to frustrate people here.

Yeah Jeevey. Get it together. Let FYM mom-shame and discuss the non-consciousness of babies in peace.

[jeevey]

I'm admitting that this is an unproductive conversation. We just disagree about the inherent disgustingness of lotus birth, and we're likely to continue to disagree. I'm fine with that, and I'm suggesting that we move on.

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

Yeah Jeevey. Get it together. Let FYM mom-shame and discuss the non-consciousness of babies in peace.

Yeah! Let Nathan continue to misrepresent the conversation! And baby consciousness?? What a boring topic lol!