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Old 11-10-2013, 11:29 PM   #741
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Wow. You have to wonder how she got that much rubbish in her brain. The anti-vaccine crowd are some of the most insane people I've come across.

^the vegan bit in that story reminded me of this, which is equally, if not more infuriating (especially if you're a cat lover!) - Kitten nearly dies from vegan diet
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Old 11-11-2013, 04:18 AM   #742
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I feel sorry for all the perfectly normal vegans who are bundled up in the same group as these dickhooks.

edit: I just saw that she named the kid "Ulysses" and now I can't stop laughing.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:39 AM   #743
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If people want to be Vegans, perfectly fine. But same as with religion and everything else, DO NOT FORCE YOUR CHILDREN to join you. They need to grow up properly with the right nutrients and not be indoctrinated in your own idiocrisy.

People like this should be banned from ever having children.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:43 AM   #744
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I feel sorry for all the perfectly normal vegans who are bundled up in the same group as these dickhooks.

edit: I just saw that she named the kid "Ulysses" and now I can't stop laughing.
You said "dickhook".

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Old 11-11-2013, 01:30 PM   #745
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That woman is an idiot.
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This language is both A) incendiary and B) dehumanizing.

I don't agree with her decisions, but the response seems a bit ...highly-pitched.
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This language is both A) incendiary and B) dehumanizing.

I don't agree with her decisions, but the response seems a bit ...highly-pitched.
Good thing we have you around as politeness police.
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This language is both A) incendiary and B) dehumanizing.

I don't agree with her decisions, but the response seems a bit ...highly-pitched.
First off, you talk the way you like, I'll talk the way I like.

Secondly, putting a baby needlessly in danger of any number of health risks by having it cart around several pounds of dead flesh is worthy of the harshest of language. The woman is a fucking twat
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:16 PM   #749
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Good thing we have you around as politeness police.
You're welcome, FYM.
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I don't really see what's totally disgusting about the lotus birth. Folks usually either keep in swaddled or salted and wrapped. It's unusual but the risks are minute--less than the practice of early cord clamping, which is universal in US hospitals. Having has hospital- and home-born babies I can sympathize quite a bit with some of what this woman says, though I'm not into unattended delivery as a birth plan. And her baby clearly didn't suffer from the experience- the photo of him at 9 days is a classic picture of a healthy, alert, attached and well nurtured baby.

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And then there's the bullshit about how she didn't think the doctors would care enough for her.
lots of people choose home birth for the very same reason. It's not an unusual experience at all to feel disrespected, rushed or receive unwanted treatment in a hospital birth, and if this woman knew ahead of time what she might meet there and chose not to do it, fine for her.
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lots of people choose home birth for the very same reason. It's not an unusual experience at all to feel disrespected, rushed or receive unwanted treatment in a hospital birth, and if this woman knew ahead of time what she might meet there and chose not to do it, fine for her.
My wife and I chose a home birth for our third baby for the same reason. We had a midwife and some assistance, and as a whole found the prenatal, delivery, and post-natal care far superior to the "rush you in and out and only time for the cursory questions" traditional care that we had received prior.

It was cheaper, too.
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I don't really see what's totally disgusting about the lotus birth. Folks usually either keep in swaddled or salted and wrapped. It's unusual but the risks are minute--less than the practice of early cord clamping
Where are you getting your statistics? The reason there are so few recorded issues with having your baby unnaturally tethered to a rotting piece of obsolete tissue is because few people are stupid enough to do it, so they're statistically insignificant. There is zero benefit and they're putting their children at risk. Idiotic behaviour. And even if Chimpanzee's did this, which they don't, who cares??? We aren't descended from Chimpanzees
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Shortly after birth, the only thing the placenta is good for is bacterial culture.

It serves no purpose and no function and keeping it attached for nearly a week is stupid, dangerous and frankly ignorant of microbiology.
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It serves no purpose and no function and keeping it attached for nearly a week is stupid, dangerous and frankly ignorant of microbiology.
I didn't choose lotus birth. but people who do think if it in terms of the placenta being the baby's last connection to being inside the womb, and the release of the cord as marking the baby's entry to being fully in the world. So they frame it as the baby choosing when to let go of his time inside and be fully present here.

I get that there's an ick factor here for western people who aren't used to handling body products, but it's not inherently disgusting. It's not equal to piles of children killed by nerve gas, or shaming or harming people based on who they are, and to my mind it's not even as disgusting as many birth procedures that are routine medical practice.
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I get that there's an ick factor here for western people who aren't used to handling body products,
If that's what you got from my post, then I don't know what to say.

Again, it is unsafe as it is teeming with bacteria. Not ick factor. FACT.
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So they frame it as the baby choosing when to let go of his time inside and be fully present here.
I remember being SO pissed off that my parents didn't allow me this choice!
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I didn't choose lotus birth. but people who do think if it in terms of the placenta being the baby's last connection to being inside the womb, and the release of the cord as marking the baby's entry to being fully in the world. So they frame it as the baby choosing when to let go of his time inside and be fully present here.
New age pseudo-scientific, psuedo-spiritual horseshit. The baby isn't choosing anything. It's not natural. It's not beautiful. It's not intelligent. It's dumb and it's exposing the baby to a host of pathogens. "The baby choosing when to let go of his time inside and be fully present here" doesn't mean anything. It's idiocy prancing around as spirituality. It has no substance; a deepity if there ever was one.
Every dumb choice a new mother makes needn't be applauded and revered.

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I get that there's an ick factor here for western people who aren't used to handling body products, but it's not inherently disgusting. It's not equal to piles of children killed by nerve gas, or shaming or harming people based on who they are, and to my mind it's not even as disgusting as many birth procedures that are routine medical practice.
There's no ick factor and that's a bit presumptuous and patronizing (and to be honest, a bit passive aggressive....and when we think about it, not all that unlike your "well, I understand that it must make you angry" every-man-contributes-to-holding-women-down line of arguing). Nothing about the human body makes me feel "icky". I'm perfectly comfortable with all it has to offer. I've never had that sort of response from anything medical. I'm disgusted that a clueless idiot is being celebrated for putting her child's life in danger based on misinformation and weak "spiritual" beliefs.
Your false equivalence to nerve gas and, I'm guessing, fat shaming (?) are as head scratching as they are intellectually stunted.
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That was maybe a bit bitchy. It's just frustrating that your line of argument always goes to some form of personal issue on the part of the opposing side rather than accepting the argument at face value.
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Yeah, it might have been. I don't even know why there needs to be 'opposing sides' here, let alone the kind of heat that has been in these last responses. All I'm saying is that lotus birth is an unusual cultural practice and its risks are tiny, because the cord quickly dries to the same kind of dry rope as an ordinary umbilical stump, and the placenta is not kept in direct contact with the baby. I do think this woman should have salted her placenta, though. But we routinely engage in birth practices that are measurably dangerous and we don't call them absolutely disgusting.

Some things are inherently disgusting, like violence and the deliberate harm of other people. But disgust is largely a learned emotion, and I'm just saying lotus birth belongs in the second category rather than the first.
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