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Old 12-14-2012, 03:00 PM   #621
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Police: Man Tries To Drown Wife In Dog Bowl After Fight Over Frozen Pizza � CBS Tampa

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According to the police report, Debra Watson started watching the “12-12-12” benefit concert while her husband was in another room and he joined her after his show was over.

The two then got into a fight about the frozen pizza that was cooked after Richard Watson complained the crust was “raw” and flung his dinner plate on the floor. Debra Watson also threw her plate on the floor in response.

Police say that is when Richard Watson tackled his wife, grabbed her head, and shoved her face into the dog’s water bowl.

“She felt her life was going to end,” Orange City Commander Jason Sampsell told the Daytona Beach News-Journal.

The paper reports that Debra was able to break free, but then her husband backed her against a corner and tried to strangle her.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:01 PM   #622
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new thread, sure

no turn in gun control, not even close to happening, the teachers should have been armed
Here it is: http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post7607346
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:03 PM   #623
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Because this is a huge story and likely a major turning point in the gun control issue.
Huge story, yes. Turning point in the gun control issue, no, I seriously doubt it. In a week (or less) we'll all have moved on to more current stuff.
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Unfortunately, Indra, I think you're right.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:08 PM   #625
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These are very popular recent gun control arguments, I think they're unfortunately a bit misguided. What difference does it make if someone buys ammo on the internet or goes to their local Walmart (one of the biggest retailers of ammunition in the nation)? It would be far easier for most to buy ammo locally than wait for it to arrive from the internet.

If someone is skilled with any sort of firearm, the entire reloading process can literally take seconds. The idea that the capacity of a magazine somehow makes a weapon any more dangerous is one of those things anyone experienced with firearms shakes their head in confusion at. In all honesty, higher capacity magazines actually make guns far more difficult to effectively handle, and drastically reduce the accuracy and reliability of most weapons. It's the reason the military themselves chooses to use standard sized magazines in all of their weapons, and most competitive sharpshooters choose weapons with smaller capacities.

A gun, in and of itself, is a dangerous weapon. The caliber, capacity, or location in which you can buy it does not make it any more or less dangerous. I've grown up around firearms since a young age, and am as avid a shooter or supposed "gun nut" as anyone, but I think laws designed to address the above issues are besides the point, and will not stop tragedies like what's happened today in any way. I absolutely agree that massive work needs to be done on gun control, and I think most of the efforts need to be placed on keeping guns out of the hands of those who would do things like this, not efforts that don't in any way make the said weapons less dangerous.

There's a ton that can be done, it just requires the ridiculously partisan country we live in to finally make concessions. The silly "nothing should be done" or "all guns should be outlawed" crap coming from either side is juvenile and unproductive. Everyone knows there's a problem, we know no one wants to upset the precedent set by the Bill of Rights, so do something about it inside of those constraints. Boo hoo if the government's costs with firearm and ammunition manufacturing companies will go up. Boo hoo if gun owners will have to take far more steps and time to acquire weapons and ammo. Freaking do something effective.

That all said, it still crushes me that these things continually happen in the US. What's wrong with our society and culture? Why does this stuff not happen in other countries where firearms are just as readily available? How could people do these sorts of things? It's horrible.
Well said. The only way to stop the crazies are to prevent them from being armed. Ultimately you can never be perfect, but it is way, way too easy to arm yourself.

Also -- has anyone considered the thought that maybe there are too many cops out there trying to pull you over for HOV violations and not enough stationed in schools? In high school (1200 students) we had generally one cop patrolling the campus. Its events like this and the 30some other school shootings that make me believe that schools should be a commonplace for police just as teachers, janitors, administration, and whatnot are.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:08 PM   #626
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I'm not sure about that. If this isn't a turning point, what possibly could be?
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it's a sad day when we have to seriously think about having armed police at elementary schools.
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I'm not sure about that. If this isn't a turning point, what possibly could be?
nothing

with each 'new' incident the arguments remain the same.

1. the gun was not the problem, the law breaker was
2. in Texas or (insert state here) people have the right to carry everywhere, and they will give examples of when a law abiding person used his gun to stop a bad person.
3. we have enough laws on books, we don't need new laws, we just need better enforcement
4. look what just happened in China 22 kids, not 18 were killied where guns are banned by a knife, people that want to kill will find a means to do so.
5. because bad people do bads things, we should not lose our Constitutional rights, why should bad people control what rights good people have

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Old 12-14-2012, 03:23 PM   #629
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Days like this I wish I believed in Hell. A friend who's a reporter posted the shooters facebook and a video. I watched, and he was 4 years ago a normal college student.
They're saying to be careful with that though. This is a common name, so it might be premature. It could be him though. But usually its hard to know if someone is troubled just from pictures or a video. I bet there was something wrong with this person in the past, there are almost always warning signs.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:27 PM   #630
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nothing

with each 'new' incident the arguments remain the same.

1. the gun was not the problem, the law breaker was
2. in Texas or (insert state here) people have the right to carry everywhere, and they will give examples of when a law abiding person used his gun to stop a bad person.
3. we have enough laws on books, we don't need new laws, we just need better enforcement
4. look what just happened in China 22 kids, not 18 were killied where guns are banned by a knife, people that want to kill will find a means to do so.
5. because bad people do bads things, we should not lose our Constitutional rights, why should bad people control what rights good people have

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About the thing in China, I read that ~20 were wounded but none were killed.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:29 PM   #631
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Deep, I really think you should take that photo down. There is no need to show two children terrified and devastated like that. I know I'm not a mod, but really...
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About the thing in China, I read that ~20 were wounded but none were killed.
well how long do you think it will take to find an incident where a bunch of kids were killed by a 'bad person' without a gun??

in the last 12 months, even?
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I guess you're trying to illustrate your point, but I just feel its a bit insensitive.
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Deep, I really think you should take that photo down. There is no need to show two children terrified and devastated like that. I know I'm not a mod, but really...
really ?? it's on the front page of the Drudge Report, and most other (even ) responsible news sites.

I would not put up a picture of dead kids,
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really ?? it's on the front page of the Drudge Report, and most other (even ) responsible news sites.

I would not put up a picture of dead kids,
Even I'm bothered by what those sites did. Why sink to their level?

Like I said, I'm not a mod. So do what you like.
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it's a sad day when we have to seriously think about having armed police at elementary schools.
I wouldn't really think of it as 'armed police'. I mean it's a bit of a redundancy, considering 'unarmed police' are not a normal sight.

It is a sad day though. Hindsight as it may be, but we should have considered this without the shooting. Elementary schools (and all public schools) tend to be generally more isolated institutions with concentrated populations of some of the most defenseless individuals. I can't speak for everywhere, but I can tell you that in my state we have more than enough sheriffs patrolling the roads giving out unnecessary fines and not enough protecting our people.
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Even I'm bothered by what those sites did. Why sink to their level?

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you may not want to go out

they are on t v and will be in every newspaper and magazines for the foreseeable future
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nothing

with each 'new' incident the arguments remain the same.

1. the gun was not the problem, the law breaker was
2. in Texas or (insert state here) people have the right to carry everywhere, and they will give examples of when a law abiding person used his gun to stop a bad person.
3. we have enough laws on books, we don't need new laws, we just need better enforcement
4. look what just happened in China 22 kids, not 18 were killied where guns are banned by a knife, people that want to kill will find a means to do so.
5. because bad people do bads things, we should not lose our Constitutional rights, why should bad people control what rights good people have

( I could probably write 10 more)
Politically speaking, the military industrial complex's incredible power over legislation and the political parties is a massive problem. The same firearm and ammunition manufacturers who sell retail to private citizens, also sell to the government. Any "scare" to these companies that they might lose some of sales, in turn is met with a threat to the government that they would have to increase their prices and contracts to cover the possible loss to their sales.

Fundamentally, the main reason for the lack of idea of what to do is tied into the Bill of Rights. The precedent of even editing or adjusting, let alone overturning, one of the fundamental rights provided has left the country confused as to how to handle the dangers inherent to private citizens owning firearms for nearly a century. Certainly the founding fathers didn't expect the implications this would cause with future technological advancements. That said, the horrific potential percent it would set to overturn or drastically edit one of the fundamental rights provided has left the government baffled, particularly with how all over the map the opinions what the policies should be are.
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they are on t v and will be in every newspaper and magazines for the fore seeable future
Whatever, deep.

With a tragedy like this, a little sensitivity would be nice rather than look to shock people.
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the incident is shocking, and that is an understatement

a jpep on a discussion board? at most is an oportunity for those that may not care, to take a momemtary pause
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