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Old 07-25-2012, 04:13 PM   #381
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I can't. And while the first few sentences of the apology portion sound sincere, he completely undermines it with the sanctimony that follows. Hasn't he ever heard of survivor guilt? You don't urge people who've just survived a massacre, and will be struggling with guilt over that every day for the rest of their lives, to be WORTHY (and dwell on the notion that "the sacrifice can never be repaid"). And to compare it to his own fond hopes of his late father being proud of him, ugh. Not to mention what it would feel like to be a family member of one of those men and read that tweet; it's not just about the girlfriends.
Exactly, and I'm sure none of these women asked for something like this to happen.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:14 PM   #382
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I agree with Yolland too.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:21 AM   #383
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Two men pleaded guilty on Tuesday to murdering a South African couple before drowning their son in a bathtub full of boiling water.
Patrick Petrus Radebe, 24, and Sipho Mbele, 21, admitted to breaking into into the Johannesburg home of 53-year-old Tony Viana and his wife, 43-year old Geraldine, Sowetan Live reports. The two men raped and shot Geraldine, then attacked Tony with a machete and golf club before shooting him the head.
The two men said that when they realized the couple's 12-year-old son, Amaro, would be able to later identify them, they tied his hands and feet and drowned him in the bathtub. Forensic analysis indicated that the boy had been held in boiling water, the Daily Mail reports.
Before leaving, the robbers killed the family dog by slicing open the animal's stomach.
Radebe had been employed by the Viana family as a gardener, while Mbele was the son of one of the family's servants. A third robber, 20-year-old David Motaung, was with the men, and pleaded guilty to a robbery charge.
A defense lawyer told the Vereeniging Regional Court court that the men originally entered the home with the intention to take revenge on Geraldine Viana for treating her employees badly, according to a translation of Beeld by South Africa's News 24.
The three convicts were allegedly laughing together as they returned to their cells after the proceedings.
Sentencing begins on September 6
Amaro Viana, South African Boy, Drowned In Boiling Water By Patrick Radebe, Sipho Mbele

This is so heartbreaking. And the report that the killers laughed about what they did clearly shows what evil monsters they are. I hope the courts give them the most justifiable sentence possible, one that won't make them laugh.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:04 PM   #384
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I totally agree with yolland here.

Who is ever worthy of another person's life? Moreover, the girls didn't request this sacrifice and didn't choose it either - so to force upon them some demented sense of indebtedness to live their lives in a "worthy" way is completely unwarranted. Talk about a load to carry for the rest of their lives.
Knowing one of said girls personally, the guilt she is going to have to carry for the rest of her life is insurmountable. Not only did he die, but he left behind two children, in order to save her.

Currently, she's not allowed to attend his memorial service, and there's uproar about her being the 'other woman' since he was technically married, although separated from his wife at the time of the shooting. Even though she's not allowed to go, she's gone above and beyond, proving that she's doing what she can for his kids by setting up an account to raise funds for his children. She didn't have to, but she is.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:21 AM   #385
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I hope the girls punch him in the balls. That would show worth.
I volunteer to do it. Jesus, really? That makes me sick, that and people judging the people who brought kids to that movie. Some people just feel the need to be extremely self righteous and smug. I was able to go see that movie last Friday, well I pretty much forced myself. There was a woman sitting in front of me with her three kids, and all I could think of was the six year old girl who died. It made me very emotional, and good thing it was dark because it would have been embarrassing.

I don't need or want any freaking superhero/someone to save my life. He can save himself. All I'd want is a guy who wouldn't write a tweet like that. The explanation is a crock. The horse was WAY out of the barn. That's the danger of Twitter-throwing those types of tidbits out there and then having to backtrack from them. If you really want to write some sort of thoughtful piece about a tragedy, write a blog. Just don't throw out a one liner like that and only compound the incredible pain of those victims.
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I like how he deliberately avoids using "I" and instead uses "we".
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Yeah, what's up with "our thoughts turn to our father"?
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:22 PM   #388
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BBC News - Sikhs express shock after shootings at Wisconsin temple

Haven't seen anyone post on this yet, so I'll do the honours. Awful. America, you frighten me. I like you a lot, I like a lot of things about you. But until you tighten up your goddamn gun control, I scared to step on the soil of your country.
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I promise we're not all gun-toting lunatics here.

That being said, however, fucking hell, when is this going to stop? What in the world has to happen in order for our country to go, "Hey, you know the whole thing about how not everyone should have a gun? Maybe we should try that once."
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Incredibly sad...

I find it interesting that they are keeping so tight lipped about the shooter. Apparently they are holding a news conference today and will reveal his name.
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I promise we're not all gun-toting lunatics here.

That being said, however, fucking hell, when is this going to stop? What in the world has to happen in order for our country to go, "Hey, you know the whole thing about how not everyone should have a gun? Maybe we should try that once."
I know that, of course. Most Americans I've met have been awesome people, and that goes out to people on this forum, too. It's just the gun culture around the whole country, the power of the NRA, and people being too afraid to do anything even after these mass shootings that terrifies me. It's the fact that they're allowed to happen so much as that they do happen.
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^yep, and that played on my mind the entire five weeks I went to the States, even though I didn't even see a gun the entire time. Wish I'd been able to block it out more! I guess that's nearly all we hear about the US here...
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Apparently the shooter was a 40 year old former soldier in the Army. Great.

He was a singer in some skinhead band.
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I find it interesting that they are keeping so tight lipped about the shooter. Apparently they are holding a news conference today and will reveal his name.

tight lipped?

why not wait a until they get the correct information

often times wrong information gets out. perhaps they are trying to determine if he had any help, where is the urgency? the guy is dead.
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tight lipped?

why not wait a until they get the correct information

often times wrong information gets out. perhaps they are trying to determine if he had any help, where is the urgency? the guy is dead.
My point is that in today's need it now media we usually have some sort of description, name, speculation, etc at the arrival of the first article. Just think back 2 weeks ago. I found it interesting in a good way that most outlets were practicing restraint in stating anything.
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We are in agreement. This need to know immediately has gotten out of hand.
I was channel flipping last night, and I think it was CNN that went wall to wall with it. They got some Sikh spokesperson they kept going to, there was nothing to report. It reminded me of one of those high speed chases that local channels run for two hours and the public just watches like a cat following a light beam on the wall.
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JOPLIN, Mo. — A mosque in southwest Missouri burned to the ground early Monday in the second fire to hit the Islamic center in little more than a month, officials said.
Joplin mosque razed in fire; 2nd blaze this summer �| ajc.com



In a better world the local Christian and other religious denominations would band together and rebuild this building out of brick and cement.
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^ I'm sure several of them will help out; other local places of worship are usually the first to step forward and offer assistance when something like this happens.

I don't think most Americans have any idea how deeply incidents like both the above unsettle members of ethnoreligious minority communities.
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Oh, wonderful, 'cause Joplin hasn't been through nearly enough over the last year or so. Sheesh. That's horrible.

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I know that, of course. Most Americans I've met have been awesome people, and that goes out to people on this forum, too. It's just the gun culture around the whole country, the power of the NRA, and people being too afraid to do anything even after these mass shootings that terrifies me. It's the fact that they're allowed to happen so much as that they do happen.
Oh, yeah, I know you know that. I just think it's really sad that that's often the first reaction among so many from other parts of the world when they hear of a shooting here.

What really gets me is, for all our "pro-life"/"think of the children!" attitudes we have in this country, apparently mass shootings that endanger or kill children STILL don't even seem to be enough of a wakeup call for us to change things.

So far there's been debate over whether it's a hate crime or an act of domestic terrorism, this shooting. Which is...unsettling, to say the least.
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