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Old 02-05-2014, 01:06 AM   #861
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You know it's interesting that most heterosexual men that are put into an extended prison sentence usually turn homosexual when engaging in intercourse. This is logical given that they are not going to have contact with women for years to come and the only thing left is to turn gay at least temporarily to release all the built up pressure.

Many experts have also correlated this phenomenon with the increase of prison sexual assaults, harassment and male-to-male rape cases.
Seriously, educate yourself...
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Old 02-06-2014, 06:46 PM   #862
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Never thought I'd agree with Indy on something, but ah well.
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My views aren't very ethical on the death penalty, but to me, premediated murderers and rapists should be excecuted. Simply because society is better off that way, no risk of repeat or escape from prison, the victims have no fear of them returning to society, and it saves a fuckload of money from giving them life sentences.

I know it's not a very popular view, maybe I've become this way after seeing what it can do to a person, but yeah. I don't see why an asshole that has been raping a woman since she was a little girl deserves to be alive, when she's got the death sentence having to live her life with all the trauma and fear. That's just no justice.
Consider this. What moral message does it send society that mass murders should receive the same penalty as defrauders like Bernie Madoff?

Answer: A terrible one.
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Old 02-06-2014, 08:03 PM   #863
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Address my points or get out of this debate.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:22 PM   #864
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Oh, so now executing criminals is a moral imperative?
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:12 PM   #865
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How is it moral to kill anyone? Whether it's criminal or state sanctioned?

People don't deserve to be murdered/killed. It's natural to want an eye for an eye, but that doesn't make it moral.

You punish criminals with varying degrees of laws and actions. I do not see how you can tell citizens it isn't ok to kill as a governing body and then go and put someone to death, no matter how horrible the crime or person.
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Sorry, but some people do deserve it. Disgusting excuses for human beings who rape and abuse innocent victims, who mass murder people for the most insane reasons.... what the hell do they have for value to our kind?
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I don't see what killing a bad person does for the rest of society that locking them up for life wouldn't also accomplish, other than satiating a sort of guttural thirst for revenge.
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Sorry, but some people do deserve it. Disgusting excuses for human beings who rape and abuse innocent victims, who mass murder people for the most insane reasons.... what the hell do they have for value to our kind?
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I don't see what killing a bad person does for the rest of society that locking them up for life wouldn't also accomplish, other than satiating a sort of guttural thirst for revenge.
I understand the line of both opinions. When I hear about people raping children, I'm all for their executions. Sometimes I think just putting a bullet into their heads is good enough, no trial needed. I especially feel that way toward child rapists because they are torturing the most helpless and vulnerable of humans. It's like, what good are you to be in this world if you want to harm children?

But then again, would doing so really eliminate child abuse? Will it heal all wounds once and for all? The most the death penalty does is heal our knee-jerk reactions, although those reactions are completely understandable because some humans are totally sick beyond words.

It's tough, but I don't think the death penalty is the answer. Although, the fact that child abusers will have to be very careful once they enter prison walls is a comforting thought.
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Sorry, but some people do deserve it. Disgusting excuses for human beings who rape and abuse innocent victims, who mass murder people for the most insane reasons.... what the hell do they have for value to our kind?
Deserve ain't got nothin' to do with it.
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It may not eradicate all cases, but it makes sure that that person will never have a victim again. Your laws are better in the US, for you life is actually life. Life sentence here is 20-30 years tops, and they can get out when 2/3rd of the sentence is served. Happily going on with their life, possibly making more victims. While the victim has a life sentence with the traumas. That is not fucking right. It's no justice. In that case, death would be a better solution for the victim and possible future victims.
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Certainly it is different from country-to-country, and we cannot ignore that. But the finality of the death penalty combined with the stunningly high rate with which innocent people are put on death row makes any argument for the death penalty in the United States completely absurd. The death penalty needs to be abolished yesterday. The debate is over.

My states has executed three people in the last fifty years. It's also released three innocent people who were set to be put to death. That's a 50 percent rate of accuracy, and that's without even looking into the cases of the executed three, who also could have been innocent.
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That inaccuracy is pretty damn striking. I had no idea it was this high. If that is the case, it would be a horrible mistake indeed.

If they'd just make life sentences life here, more people would be content with the system. Right now, murderers and rapists can walk free after only a few years of jail. More and more people are starting to express their repulsion towards that, but nothing is being done in politics.
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I don't think it's quite that "bad" on a national level, but it doesn't really matter. Our justice system is based around guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," not guilt "for certain."

Your system certainly sounds like it's in need of an overhaul.
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I don't think it's quite that "bad" on a national level, but it doesn't really matter. Our justice system is based around guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," not guilt "for certain."

Your system certainly sounds like it's in need of an overhaul.
Guilt isn't in question in this case.
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No, but it's in doubt in enough cases to doubt the DP as a matter of policy. And what good are principles when you throw them out the window in a case like this?

My objections to the DP are mostly practical, slightly philosophical, and nothing to do with morality. It's not a deterrent, it is not applied equally (it's overtly racist), it's more expensive, and verdicts can be wrong.

There's also the irony of you trusting a government to execute people when you think it's awful for this same government to require its citizens to have health insurance. But I suppose we're all pro-government when it suits our cultural prejudices and positionings.

States with the DP have higher crime and murder rates anyway.
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Guilt isn't in question in this case.
Guilt is not ever certain according to our law. There is no option for a jury to say the defendant is 100 percent guilty. Only beyond a reasonable doubt.
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What the fuck am I supposed to do with that?
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Certainly it is different from country-to-country, and we cannot ignore that. But the finality of the death penalty combined with the stunningly high rate with which innocent people are put on death row makes any argument for the death penalty in the United States completely absurd. The death penalty needs to be abolished yesterday. The debate is over.

My states has executed three people in the last fifty years. It's also released three innocent people who were set to be put to death. That's a 50 percent rate of accuracy, and that's without even looking into the cases of the executed three, who also could have been innocent.
To be fair, it's not really a 50 percent rate. You have to take into account ALL of the people on death row, vs the three innocent people. You're skewing the data at the moment.
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