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For such a religious person, it's rather carnal of you to think that freedom is measured with money. Your grand vision for America is a tax cut. |
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And yet where Ron Paul and his Constitutionalist argument takes this - is he argues that it is not a power granted in the Constitution...and yet it IS a tax for a service rendered for the "welfare" of the country. And all of that is IN the Constitution and very much upheld as constitutional. But Ron Paul's ideology is not really strict Constitutionalism. It's using the Constitution as a crutch to argue for specific policy. Maybe I should have put it in quotes. "Constitutionalism" = Ron Paul's Libertarianism. Whereas strict Constitutionalism would have very little to say about policy and is probably a term that might only apply to certain legal stances, not policy. I am not entirely sure about the semantics of that. There is a much longer answer that I should toss out there maybe tomorrow. A post where I shred Ron Paul's "libertarianism" and expose it for what it is. It's not principled regarding ALL liberty granted to us by God or the Constitution. It's ideological regarding specific liberty (policy)...and when the Constitution can be used as political rhetoric, he'll use it. And he'll get a bunch of flag-wearing and waving 'patriots' to agree with him. And then when it comes to something like Social Security - suddenly he doesn't agree with the taxing power (re: "welfare") which is very much in the Constitution. Again, only using it as a crutch when it suits his political argument. So anyhow... You agree that people get to decide on our own governance. And yet every other post of yours is bitching about using the taxing power for "fairness". We can use the taxing power how we see fit. That's basically the deal. You may not like it. I may not like it. But we choose that direction in elections. We, the people, TELL the Federal Government what to do. We ARE the government. It's only when people disagree with the current policy that suddenly Govt is too big. And yet ALL of them, Republicans, Democrats alike, participate in deficit spending. And a Govt that is anything but small. I've said it before myself - "it's too big" (or whatever), but I've continued to explore, and read, and remain curious about more empirical truths - while carrying no ideology towards the raw economics. It becomes clearer to me all the time. We have the size of Govt we have because that is what the people, almost ALL of them, want - even if they say they don't - it's only because of their own ignorance they don't realize they want the big Govt. I'll just close with this - as pretty much a civil libertarian, there is a big difference, to me, between Big Govt (spending us into dire straits) and intrusive Govt, which was why I was against the HC mandate. One Govt just needs to decide to fund itself or scale back. The other is actually, truly scary. |
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Three of his friends charged with destroying/concealing evidence and making false statements. They allegedly got rid of his backpack that had fireworks in it, and his laptop. Backpack was recovered in a landfill, no word on the laptop.
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here's an article
Lawyers say 2 charged in connection with Boston bomb case didn’t know of attack plans - The Washington Post looks like the kind of legal fireworks I have bought in the past surprising if that stuff plus BBs that can be bought anywhere, and a $29 six quart pressure cooker did all that damage. |
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My understanding is that they used material extracted from the fireworks. And nails too, not just bbs.
One of them texted him and said he looked like the bomber, and he said LOL. Then he tells them he'll be "going" and to take whatever they want from his room..don't text him. White hat got the Unabomber's /movie theater killer's lawyer. On the taxpayer dime, unless she's working for free. |
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He has a public defender but the capital punishment expert is almost certainly doing this on a pro bono basis. Nobody of that caliber would be a public defender.
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He has 3 public defenders plus the capital punishment expert.
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Why do you guys suspect the capital punishment expert is doing it pro bono? Free exposure? Because it's challenging?
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Surely it’s counterintuitive to think that the framers of the Constitution spent so much effort enumerating the powers of the federal government, creating a system of checks and balances between the three branches of government as well as between the federal and state governments – to then provide a sweeping, unlimited power to “provide for the general welfare” that basically renders all limits non-binding and powerless. No one arguing at the Constitution Convention ever argued that it did. So the conservative looks at original intent and finds that the federal government cannot tax and spend as they please under the umbrella of “general welfare” and legislation that does is unconstitutional and any court that allows it is misguided. Quote:
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DNC Video: "The Government Is The Only Thing We All Belong To" - YouTube Such sentiments are both historically and literally un-American. Given our record levels of dependency, the unyielding regulations of the nanny state and the exploding cost of the government; at what point do we cease to be sovereign citizens and become subjects of the state? Quote:
“Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Benjamin Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” |
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You're right. We're off topic here...just one more comment.
Whether it was intended or not, what is and isn't constitutional is essentially chosen by the democratic process as well. If we really, really wanted to overturn Social Security (for a great example) - as so many conservatives hold that it is unconstitutional - we would, as a people, elect conservative Presidents to appoint conservative justices and in a relatively short period of time, it could be undone fairly easily. But then every Republican in office at the time it happened would lose their next election. Because the super vast majority of their constituents want it to be in place. Funny how those constitutional principles work in actual 'practice'. It suddenly depends on what specific type of 'Big Govt' we're talking about, doesn't it? If you want to continue the discussion - just bump your entropy thread, I'll follow. |
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#794 |
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If anything
This whole situation has brought a part of the world which people know very little about I knew nothing about the caucasus mountains, except for stalin's great purge Those three Russian subjects: Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushestia (Abkhazia) have always caused troubles in Russia and they no-go zones |
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We can always be reductionist about "the other side," but the differences do exist and are clear. The merits of either position can be well-argued, but you can't say that they don't exist, nor that it's intellectually lazy to recognize them. Reductionist, perhaps, but not lazy. And reductionism on this board happens with alarming regularity. |
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I'm not trying to cause trouble. I just find it disingenuous to come down on one side of the discussion for being intellectually lazy, when the reality is that, in FYM, such reductionism and intellectual laziness are hallmarks of many of these debates. Maybe we should all agree to avoid "always" and "never" phrases in the future; the world is too complicated for that. |
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I prefer when INDY opts for a comic in which a pair of ears make a strawman argument.
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Any thoughts on the Rolling Stone cover?
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